Two Guesses

[J. J.]

You could see two situations:

1.  Obama wins and is the next Jimmy Carter, only worse.  Within 5 years of today there is Christian conservative Congress abnd President.

2.  McCain win and the evangelicals in the party are diminished.

The more this election cycle goes on, the more I'm starting to see option #1.  Though not necessarily a "Christian conservative" Congress/President, but a sharp trend towards social authoritarianism and stronger economic controls being dicated by government.  You could kind of see it start after 9/11, frankly.

I could see a more libertarian bent.

[Person Man]

Though, I do not share your optimism about Palin...maybe if Palin is forced to run in 2012 and loses...

[J. J.]

Though, I do not share your optimism about Palin...maybe if Palin is forced to run in 2012 and loses...

Some of her things have been more consensual.  Now, I'm not saying anything about the direction of the re-alignment, just that we'll see it in the next two elections.  I already predicted that GOP would win, at a time when I wasn't sure I'd be voting for the GOP nominee or who either party nominee would be.

[Sam Spade]

You could see two situations:

1.  Obama wins and is the next Jimmy Carter, only worse.  Within 5 years of today there is Christian conservative Congress abnd President.

2.  McCain win and the evangelicals in the party are diminished.

The more this election cycle goes on, the more I'm starting to see option #1.  Though not necessarily a "Christian conservative" Congress/President, but a sharp trend towards social authoritarianism and stronger economic controls being dicated by government.  You could kind of see it start after 9/11, frankly.

I could see a more libertarian bent.

I don't mean to make this sound "braggadocio", but that's probably impossible. 

I've always had an excellent feel for the pulse of the country at-large and a pulse for places that I live in.  If I'm saying something is more likely than not to be occurring, it probably is.

I've made mistakes before, specifically about Hillary Clinton, but if the *caucus process* had not existed, something which I admittedly don't get, my prediction would have been accurate.

The only thing that makes me pause before being anywhere near 100% behind the prediction above is the concern that the longer the undecideds stay undecided, the more likely they are to break to the white candidate.  Or at least, that's what has happened historically, and those still undecided seem to fit the pattern of this type of voter more than not.

But whatever, even if McCain gets elected, this is probably where we're headed.

[J. J.]

The only thing that makes me pause before being anywhere near 100% behind the prediction above is the concern that the longer the undecideds stay undecided, the more likely they are to break to the white candidate.  Or at least, that's what has happened historically, and those still undecided seem to fit the pattern of this type of voter more than not.

But whatever, even if McCain gets elected, this is probably where we're headed.

You make an assumption, if McCain is elected, a Republican will be elected in 2012.  I'm not too sure about that.

[Sam Spade]

The only thing that makes me pause before being anywhere near 100% behind the prediction above is the concern that the longer the undecideds stay undecided, the more likely they are to break to the white candidate.  Or at least, that's what has happened historically, and those still undecided seem to fit the pattern of this type of voter more than not.

But whatever, even if McCain gets elected, this is probably where we're headed.

You make an assumption, if McCain is elected, a Republican will be elected in 2012.  I'm not too sure about that.

I never made that assumption.  In fact, I thought my statement implied the opposite.  But the result in terms the trend towards authoritarianism and stronger control will be the same.

[J. J.]

The only thing that makes me pause before being anywhere near 100% behind the prediction above is the concern that the longer the undecideds stay undecided, the more likely they are to break to the white candidate.  Or at least, that's what has happened historically, and those still undecided seem to fit the pattern of this type of voter more than not.

But whatever, even if McCain gets elected, this is probably where we're headed.

You make an assumption, if McCain is elected, a Republican will be elected in 2012.  I'm not too sure about that.

I never made that assumption.  In fact, I thought my statement implied the opposite.  But the result in terms the trend towards authoritarianism and stronger control will be the same.

No, but we might see a break between social libertarians and security libertarians.

[Person Man]

The only thing that makes me pause before being anywhere near 100% behind the prediction above is the concern that the longer the undecideds stay undecided, the more likely they are to break to the white candidate.  Or at least, that's what has happened historically, and those still undecided seem to fit the pattern of this type of voter more than not.

But whatever, even if McCain gets elected, this is probably where we're headed.

You make an assumption, if McCain is elected, a Republican will be elected in 2012.  I'm not too sure about that.

I never made that assumption.  In fact, I thought my statement implied the opposite.  But the result in terms the trend towards authoritarianism and stronger control will be the same.

No, but we might see a break between social libertarians and security libertarians.

...whatever that means.

[J. J.]

The only thing that makes me pause before being anywhere near 100% behind the prediction above is the concern that the longer the undecideds stay undecided, the more likely they are to break to the white candidate.  Or at least, that's what has happened historically, and those still undecided seem to fit the pattern of this type of voter more than not.

But whatever, even if McCain gets elected, this is probably where we're headed.

You make an assumption, if McCain is elected, a Republican will be elected in 2012.  I'm not too sure about that.

I never made that assumption.  In fact, I thought my statement implied the opposite.  But the result in terms the trend towards authoritarianism and stronger control will be the same.

No, but we might see a break between social libertarians and security libertarians.

...whatever that means.

Simple:   Conduct will be tolerated, but actions will be monitored.

[Person Man]

The only thing that makes me pause before being anywhere near 100% behind the prediction above is the concern that the longer the undecideds stay undecided, the more likely they are to break to the white candidate.  Or at least, that's what has happened historically, and those still undecided seem to fit the pattern of this type of voter more than not.

But whatever, even if McCain gets elected, this is probably where we're headed.

You make an assumption, if McCain is elected, a Republican will be elected in 2012.  I'm not too sure about that.

I never made that assumption.  In fact, I thought my statement implied the opposite.  But the result in terms the trend towards authoritarianism and stronger control will be the same.

No, but we might see a break between social libertarians and security libertarians.

...whatever that means.

Simple:   Conduct will be tolerated, but actions will be monitored.

That seems to be a bit broad...but are you trying to say that the theo-cons will lose ground to the neo-cons, at least on law enforcement policy?

[J. J.]

The only thing that makes me pause before being anywhere near 100% behind the prediction above is the concern that the longer the undecideds stay undecided, the more likely they are to break to the white candidate.  Or at least, that's what has happened historically, and those still undecided seem to fit the pattern of this type of voter more than not.

But whatever, even if McCain gets elected, this is probably where we're headed.

You make an assumption, if McCain is elected, a Republican will be elected in 2012.  I'm not too sure about that.

I never made that assumption.  In fact, I thought my statement implied the opposite.  But the result in terms the trend towards authoritarianism and stronger control will be the same.

No, but we might see a break between social libertarians and security libertarians.

...whatever that means.

Simple:   Conduct will be tolerated, but actions will be monitored.

That seems to be a bit broad...but are you trying to say that the theo-cons will lose ground to the neo-cons, at least on law enforcement policy?

I wouldn't use those titles.

[Person Man]

Answer the question.

[J. J.]

Answer the question.

Come up with a different classification; those don't apply.

[Person Man]

Ok. So, in a certain situation, probably if McCain wins and no matter what happesn to him, the Rudy Guiliani (socially moderate anti-terror) wing of the party will gain more influence at the expense of the Mike Huckabee( socially conservative/ security moderate)wing of the party on  law and order issues?

[J. J.]

Ok. So, in a certain situation, probably if McCain wins and no matter what happesn to him, the Rudy Guiliani (socially moderate anti-terror) wing of the party will gain more influence at the expense of the Mike Huckabee( socially conservative/ security moderate)wing of the party on  law and order issues?

That is one possibility.

[Sam Spade]

You could see two situations:

1.  Obama wins and is the next Jimmy Carter, only worse.  Within 5 years of today there is Christian conservative Congress abnd President.

2.  McCain win and the evangelicals in the party are diminished.

The more this election cycle goes on, the more I'm starting to see option #1.  Though not necessarily a "Christian conservative" Congress/President, but a sharp trend towards social authoritarianism and stronger economic controls being dicated by government.  You could kind of see it start after 9/11, frankly.

This post, made the second day of the "crisis" still nails it.

Though, really, there are three options for the Obama presidency...

[J. J.]

You could see two situations:

1.  Obama wins and is the next Jimmy Carter, only worse.  Within 5 years of today there is Christian conservative Congress abnd President.

2.  McCain win and the evangelicals in the party are diminished.

The more this election cycle goes on, the more I'm starting to see option #1.  Though not necessarily a "Christian conservative" Congress/President, but a sharp trend towards social authoritarianism and stronger economic controls being dicated by government.  You could kind of see it start after 9/11, frankly.

This post, made the second day of the "crisis" still nails it.

Though, really, there are three options for the Obama presidency...

It depends.  I'm not convinced there will be an Obama presidency, this time.  We can only speculate what would have happened if Ford won in 1976.

My initial prediction was that the GOP wins.  At the time, I didn't predict that it would be McCain versus Obama.

[Person Man]

You could see two situations:

1.  Obama wins and is the next Jimmy Carter, only worse.  Within 5 years of today there is Christian conservative Congress abnd President.

2.  McCain win and the evangelicals in the party are diminished.

The more this election cycle goes on, the more I'm starting to see option #1.  Though not necessarily a "Christian conservative" Congress/President, but a sharp trend towards social authoritarianism and stronger economic controls being dicated by government.  You could kind of see it start after 9/11, frankly.

This post, made the second day of the "crisis" still nails it.

Though, really, there are three options for the Obama presidency...

It depends.  I'm not convinced there will be an Obama presidency, this time.  We can only speculate what would have happened if Ford won in 1976.

My initial prediction was that the GOP wins.  At the time, I didn't predict that it would be McCain versus Obama.

So you think that McCain still will be miracled into the White House and then you will tell him that after him, there will be a deluge....what will happen then? Will there be breasts?

[J. J.]

You could see two situations:

1.  Obama wins and is the next Jimmy Carter, only worse.  Within 5 years of today there is Christian conservative Congress abnd President.

2.  McCain win and the evangelicals in the party are diminished.

The more this election cycle goes on, the more I'm starting to see option #1.  Though not necessarily a "Christian conservative" Congress/President, but a sharp trend towards social authoritarianism and stronger economic controls being dicated by government.  You could kind of see it start after 9/11, frankly.

This post, made the second day of the "crisis" still nails it.

Though, really, there are three options for the Obama presidency...

It depends.  I'm not convinced there will be an Obama presidency, this time.  We can only speculate what would have happened if Ford won in 1976.

My initial prediction was that the GOP wins.  At the time, I didn't predict that it would be McCain versus Obama.

So you think that McCain still will be miracled into the White House and then you will tell him that after him, there will be a deluge....what will happen then? Will there be breasts?

No, I will tell that that.  The only the president can hope to do is redirect the waters.

[J. J.]

I'll refine this prediction.  If Obama wins, the realignment begins in 2010. 

[Person Man]

I'll refine this prediction.  If Obama wins, the realignment begins in 2010. 

Are you talking about the final destruction of liberalism and start of the age of eugenics, preemptive "limited" nuclear war, fuedalization of the economy, theocracy, the mass forced repatriatriation of the remaining liberals and swarthy foreigners and the general birth of the Fourth Reich?

[J. J.]

I'll refine this prediction.  If Obama wins, the realignment begins in 2010. 

Are you talking about the final destruction of liberalism and start of the age of eugenics, preemptive "limited" nuclear war, fuedalization of the economy, theocracy, the mass forced repatriatriation of the remaining liberals and swarthy foreigners and the general birth of the Fourth Reich?

It's a political realignment.  I'm taking about voting patterns, candidate selection, policy changes.

[Person Man]

I'll refine this prediction.  If Obama wins, the realignment begins in 2010. 

Are you talking about the final destruction of liberalism and start of the age of eugenics, preemptive "limited" nuclear war, fuedalization of the economy, theocracy, the mass forced repatriatriation of the remaining liberals and swarthy foreigners and the general birth of the Fourth Reich?

It's a political realignment.  I'm taking about voting patterns, candidate selection, policy changes.

Oh. Sorry. I think I am just talking about the policy changes, then.

[J. J.]

I'll refine this prediction.  If Obama wins, the realignment begins in 2010. 

Are you talking about the final destruction of liberalism and start of the age of eugenics, preemptive "limited" nuclear war, fuedalization of the economy, theocracy, the mass forced repatriatriation of the remaining liberals and swarthy foreigners and the general birth of the Fourth Reich?

It's a political realignment.  I'm taking about voting patterns, candidate selection, policy changes.

Oh. Sorry. I think I am just talking about the policy changes, then.

No, those are unintended consequences.

[Person Man]

I'll refine this prediction.  If Obama wins, the realignment begins in 2010. 

Are you talking about the final destruction of liberalism and start of the age of eugenics, preemptive "limited" nuclear war, fuedalization of the economy, theocracy, the mass forced repatriatriation of the remaining liberals and swarthy foreigners and the general birth of the Fourth Reich?

It's a political realignment.  I'm taking about voting patterns, candidate selection, policy changes.

Oh. Sorry. I think I am just talking about the policy changes, then.

No, those are unintended consequences.

semantics....