Judaism

[Hatman 🍁]

Female circumcision is quite prevalent among many ethnic groups in Africa, so hehehe right back at you

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Yup!!!! does not effect me hence the heheheheheh!!!!!!!!

Please get out of my thread

[Associate Justice PiT]

Female circumcision is quite prevalent among many ethnic groups in Africa, so hehehe right back at you

     For some reason, I doubt many of those ethnic groups are Jewish.

[The Mikado]

While you're here, dcunited15, what's with the "chow chow" signature?

[Associate Justice PiT]

While you're here, dcunited15, what's with the "chow chow" signature?

     She's going to the Sierra Nevada for a few days to bond with her mother. I would assume it refers to the breed of dog, but I never asked her.

[dead0man]

Female circumcision is quite prevalent among many ethnic groups in Africa, so hehehe right back at you

     For some reason, I doubt many of those ethnic groups are Jewish.

hehe

[Hatman 🍁]

Female circumcision is quite prevalent among many ethnic groups in Africa, so hehehe right back at you

     For some reason, I doubt many of those ethnic groups are Jewish.

doesn't make it more or less right in my books.

[Хahar 🤔]

But seriously though, what's the deal with the snippy snippy? That's genital mutilation of the unconsentable in my books.

And I don't have a problem with my lack of a foreskin.

[Alcon]

But seriously though, what's the deal with the snippy snippy? That's genital mutilation of the unconsentable in my books.

And I don't have a problem with my lack of a foreskin.

Not to make the (inappropriate) comparison, but evidently many/most of the FGM-practicing Africans "don't have a problem" with it either.  That's the danger of ethical decisions made on personal/cultural preference.

[Хahar 🤔]

But seriously though, what's the deal with the snippy snippy? That's genital mutilation of the unconsentable in my books.

And I don't have a problem with my lack of a foreskin.

Not to make the (inappropriate) comparison, but evidently many/most of the FGM-practicing Africans "don't have a problem" with it either.  That's the danger of ethical decisions made on personal/cultural preference.

Oh, of course. But there are plenty of worse things to combat.

[Alcon]

But seriously though, what's the deal with the snippy snippy? That's genital mutilation of the unconsentable in my books.

And I don't have a problem with my lack of a foreskin.

Not to make the (inappropriate) comparison, but evidently many/most of the FGM-practicing Africans "don't have a problem" with it either.  That's the danger of ethical decisions made on personal/cultural preference.

Oh, of course. But there are plenty of worse things to combat.

Depending on where your antecedent's going there, I might disagree strongly, or agree lukewarmly.  I'm going to assume you're not downplaying FGM, so it's probably the agree one. 

My opinion is that FGM is one of the greatest cultural horrors outside of genocide today.  It may not be the worst, but it's up there.  I think male circumcision and lesser forms of female genital cutting are unethical, but not at the same level.  That doesn't mean they should continue, but they probably shouldn't be the focus of limited resources.

[Хahar 🤔]

But seriously though, what's the deal with the snippy snippy? That's genital mutilation of the unconsentable in my books.

And I don't have a problem with my lack of a foreskin.

Not to make the (inappropriate) comparison, but evidently many/most of the FGM-practicing Africans "don't have a problem" with it either.  That's the danger of ethical decisions made on personal/cultural preference.

Oh, of course. But there are plenty of worse things to combat.

Depending on where your antecedent's going there, I might disagree strongly, or agree lukewarmly.  I'm going to assume you're not downplaying FGM, so it's probably the agree one. 

My opinion is that FGM is one of the greatest cultural horrors outside of genocide today.  It may not be the worst, but it's up there.  I think male circumcision and lesser forms of female genital cutting are unethical, but not at the same level.  That doesn't mean they should continue, but they probably shouldn't be the focus of limited resources.

Yeah, FGM is certainly a problem. I agree there.

[afleitch]

Considering FGM is often performed for perverted sexual purposes (for the man) and can lead to profuse bleeding and infection and is often performed with the passive or even active consent of the mother/women in the family then yes it is worse than MGM

However I have issues with MGM too particularly as it seems to be carried out for no reason other than habit. However I can't imagine men suffer as a result and of course as circumcision can help alleviate erectile problems.

Of course, I'm not circumcised so I don't know the experience of having it done.

[Хahar 🤔]

Of course, I'm not circumcised so I don't know the experience of having it done.

Very few people in the West do. I was 2 days old when I had it done.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Of course, I'm not circumcised so I don't know the experience of having it done.

Very few people in the West do. I was 2 days old when I had it done.

     As I recall, it's about 60% in the United States, & about half of that in the Western United States. I myself am not circumcised. Circumcision has become much less common in Canada, the UK, & Australia in recent years.

[dead0man]

But seriously though, what's the deal with the snippy snippy? That's genital mutilation of the unconsentable in my books.

And I don't have a problem with my lack of a foreskin.

Not to make the (inappropriate) comparison, but evidently many/most of the FGM-practicing Africans "don't have a problem" with it either.  That's the danger of ethical decisions made on personal/cultural preference.

Well to be fair those ladies lose the ability to enjoy sex and they live in a society that doesn't take kindly to the women folk bitching about things.  Boys circumcised can still enjoy sex and if we really didn't like it much, we have the freedom to bitch about it and make it stop.  The two aren't even close to being the same thing.  Calling what they do to these little girls "circumcision" would be like calling a hysterectomy a prostrate removal.

edit-the last line was funky

[Alcon]

But seriously though, what's the deal with the snippy snippy? That's genital mutilation of the unconsentable in my books.

And I don't have a problem with my lack of a foreskin.

Not to make the (inappropriate) comparison, but evidently many/most of the FGM-practicing Africans "don't have a problem" with it either.  That's the danger of ethical decisions made on personal/cultural preference.

Well to be fair those ladies lose the ability to enjoy sex and they live in a society that doesn't take kindly to the women folk bitching about things.  Boys circumcised can still enjoy sex and if we really didn't like it much, we have the freedom to bitch about it and make it stop.  The two aren't even close to being the same thing.  Calling what they do these little girls "circumcision" would be like calling a hysterectomy and prostrate removal.

That's why I said a comparison would be "inappropriate."  Lumping FGM together with male circumcision, or lesser forms of female genital cutting, serves no purpose whatsoever.  They're totally different physiologically.  My point was that "I don't have a problem with it" is not an ethical defense.  After all, in Africa, not only is FGM "not a problem" to most people (men and women alike), not being mutilated is a social Scarlet Letter.  In fact, FGM apologists argue that this alone justifies the practice -- marriage is more important in the culture than sexual enjoyment or choice, so assuming it's done with sterile instruments, FGM is "OK."

I didn't really mean to equate the different procedures, just the moral calculus.  I think that's concerning enough on its own.

[dead0man]

Ahh, gotcha.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

Africa is not even a developed country. America and Europe are developed and they don't do that. I guess the developed countries that have an established religion are identical to one an other.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Africa is not even a developed country. America and Europe are developed and they don't do that. I guess the developed countries that have an established religion are identical to one an other.

      The United States is identical to England? Or to France?

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

In the sense that we are all developed.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     All developed countries are the same in that they are developed? What a daring hypothesis.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

OK maybe but they are economically they are.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     In what sense economically?

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

In the sence of what we produce and how we have jobs and good education.