Conduct of the Clinton Campaign

[Gabu]

Every Obama supporter loved the Clinton's before this election.

I never liked Hillary, but thanks for asking.

[Speed of Sound]

Every Obama supporter loved the Clinton's before this election.

I never liked Hillary, but thanks for asking.

[Flying Dog]

Every Obama supporter loved the Clinton's before this election.

I never liked Hillary, but thanks for asking.

[Speed of Sound]

In fact, before anyone else flings useless and unresearched accusations around, I wouls like to quote myself, if I may:

Everytime I see Clinton with a huge lead I get really depressed.

Same here. I may have to vote Socialist in my first Presidential election.

Why do you not like Clinton so much?

Well, out of 10, i give Hillary a 6. Its not that I dislike her, its that The Dems can do better than her, and if the Party cant figure that out by 2008, i dont see why i should vote with it(Democratic Party).

Ones I like:
Clark
Feingold
Obama
Edwards
Kerry
Warner
Gore
Reid
Richardson

Ones I don't like:
Bayh
Hillary Clinton
Schweitzer

I hope Clinton's polls continue to flounder, because we need her to not run for the nomination. If she does, the Democratic Party is pretty much screwed.

[Top 10 Candidates for '08]

John Kerry-Woot! 
Barack Obama-Young, I know, but right now hes got a great rep and a powerful voice.
Hillary Clinton-because I could only think of 9 others
Mark Pryor-Think of what he could do for the Dems in the south? We'd be able to pick up Missouri and Arkansas, maybe LA? just throw a liberal on the bottom
Mark Warner-Do I need an explanation?
Al Gore-I know. Hes not running. But he'd make one hell of a candidate
Russ Feingold-The only backbone the left has right now. Or at least the only one anyone cares about.
Al Sharpton- I dont care what you say, i like him.
Wesley Clark-military people win elections, and this guy was a genereal. Thats all I need.
John Edwards-Cmon, u all have a special place in your heart for John Edwards, whether you admit it or not.

Seriously Gore: Run. Run like youve never ran before. Do whatever it takes to ensure Clinton's loss of the nomination. And if you can grab it in the process wonderful. Just stop her, no-one else can.

[Angel of Death]

Can anyone explain exactly what the deal is with the Nevada lawsuit? Because if this is done with the deliberate goal of disenfranchising people, then the Clinton campaigners have lowered themselves deep into Katherine Harris territory here.

[Ebowed]

Hillary Clinton and Katherine Harris are probably very good pals.

Wait till we get to the Southern states.  Hillary is going to be working very hard to make sure that thousands of black "ex-cons" get taken off the voter rolls.

Meanwhile, Obama's record as a community organizer continues to bring shame and disgrace to all of the black people of America.  At least the ones who would rather vote for a Goldwater Girl!  LOL!

[Bacon King]

Every Obama supporter loved the Clinton's before this election.

I never liked Hillary, but thanks for asking.

[Gabu]

Can anyone explain exactly what the deal is with the Nevada lawsuit? Because if this is done with the deliberate goal of disenfranchising people, then the Clinton campaigners have lowered themselves deep into Katherine Harris territory here.

What Nevada lawsuit is that?

[TomC]

Can anyone explain exactly what the deal is with the Nevada lawsuit? Because if this is done with the deliberate goal of disenfranchising people, then the Clinton campaigners have lowered themselves deep into Katherine Harris territory here.

What Nevada lawsuit is that?

A teacher's union that supports Hilary started a lawsuit to put a stop to At Large Voting precincts in some hotels so that Hotel (and culinary) workers can more easily participate midday Saturday. No one complained until Obama got the Culinary Workers endorsement.

[opebo]

I think it is reasonable to assume that if Clinton gets the nomination that Obama supporters will not bother to vote.. or at least a significant percentage of them will not. 

However it is worth noting that all Clinton needs to do is keep spewing racism - or even just talking about race - and she has it in the bag.  Once Obama (and I think it has already happened) becomes just another 'black candidate' and not the 'candidate of hope' or any other kind of candidate, he cannot win, because of racism among Democrats.  She actually has a very easy road ahead of her, alas.

[Verily]

Every Obama supporter loved the Clinton's before this election.

I never liked Hillary, but thanks for asking.

I think I might have resigned myself to voting for her back when Clinton v Huckabee looked more likely, but I never liked her.

[Sam Spade]

I'm with opebo here, at least on the second paragraph, not the first (probably).

The Clinton playbook against Obama is straight from the Lee Atwater handbook, adapted to the necessaries of a Democratic primary. 

In modern times, I can rarely think of an instance when adhering to that playbook failed, and whenever that happened, it was mainly the weakness of the candidate himself who caused it.

[opebo]

I'm with opebo here, at least on the second paragraph, not the first (probably).

The Clinton playbook against Obama is straight from the Lee Atwater handbook, adapted to the necessaries of a Democratic primary. 

In modern times, I can rarely think of an instance when adhering to that playbook failed, and whenever that happened, it was mainly the weakness of the candidate himself who caused it.

Racism is the most reliable force in american politics, SS.

[Silent Hunter]

It may well be race-baiting, but the point about MLK is actually somewhat correct. MLK was not the sole mover in Civil Rights. Earl Warren, Thurgood Marshall, Lyndon Johnson, Rosa Parkes played big roles as well.

[TomC]

It may well be race-baiting, but the point about MLK is actually somewhat correct. MLK was not the sole mover in Civil Rights. Earl Warren, Thurgood Marshall, Lyndon Johnson, Rosa Parkes played big roles as well.

Who has said he was the sole mover? Clinton made it seem as if his role was secondary to the President. As if not much had happened in America in the 10 (or 100) years prior to a piece of paper, passed by congress, reached the desk of the President. It took great effort to build popular support for it. That Hillary Clinton would be so blind to people's contributions to politics sorely reeks of an entrenched elite political figure.

And actually the truth undercuts her point: We had Presidents and Courts essentially ignore the "Civil War Amendments" for 100 years in this country. It wasn't until people like King and Parks stood up and said "unacceptable" that politicians took notice.

But for Clinton to go on about being in the "boys club" and tout that electing a woman is real change for everybody, and then to say her campaign is "not about gender" is quite slick. The way she injected race, whether you agree with the MLK/Johnson analogy or not, is all her. So, she can talk about race and gender all she wants, but clearly it is problematic if a black male does?

One candidate brought both gender and race into this campaign and it was not Obama.

[TomC]

And I'll give you Earl Warren; he was very important to progress.

[Wakie]

Wow ... watching these 2 sniping at each other and really splitting the party must give a lot of hope and solace to the Republicans.

[J. J.]

Guys, "Politics ain't bean ball."

Personally, I thought some Obama's tone in the NH debate was condescending.  He's "you're liked, Hillary," or whatever the comment was.

On the "Muslim cokehead" charge, the Muslim part has been circulating for years, and I don't think it was directly from the Clinton campaign, or even from a Clinton supporter.  Now Obama is an Islamic sounding name and Barak's birth father was Muslim; Goldwater is a Jewish name and Barry's father Jewish, but converted.  There were questions in that campaign as well.  It was to be expected.  BTW:  If you don't think there is a Muslim bias in the US, read my first post. 

In high school, Obama did drugs, including cocaine.  I personally don't think it's important, because if we eliminated everyone who did drugs in the Seventies and Eighties from public office, I'd be President.  Some people, however, do think it's important and it's far better to be raised now than in late October.

[Wakie]

It is interesting to note how easy it is to sow seeds of dissent within the Democratic party.

If I was a GOP operative I'd be selling to my boss how we should start nasty whisper campaigns about Obama and Hillary in any state where a primary is a week away.  Not only does it divide the Dems, but if anyone pays attention to the whispers, you're laying the ground work towards injuring a possibly opponent in the general election.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Every Obama supporter loved the Clinton's before this election.

I never liked Hillary, but thanks for asking.

[Wakie]

Every Obama supporter loved the Clinton's before this election.

I never liked Hillary, but thanks for asking.

Yeah .... remember when the Naderites said they didn't like Gore.  :-/

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Did I say I would vote for Nader over her in the general election? No, I'm going to vote against her in the primaries, which if you haven't noticed aren't over. The Gore comparison is asinine. And as far as Nader goes:

I WOULD CUT OFF MY HAND BEFORE USING IT TO FILL IN THE BOX NEXT TO THAT VILE DISGUSTING PIECE OF HUMAN GARBAGE WHO NEEDS TO DO THE WORLD A FAVOR AND BLOW HIS F**KING BRAINS OUT.

[TomC]

I don't think it was directly from the Clinton campaign, or even from a Clinton supporter. 

Yes, it was.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316273,00.html

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13820.html

[Silent Hunter]

Actually Truman desegregated the US military and IIRC, Roosevelt did something vis Government contracts.

[TomC]

Actually Truman desegregated the US military and IIRC, Roosevelt did something vis Government contracts.

Tell it to Emmet Till.