Conduct of the Clinton Campaign

[TomC]

So, let me get this straight: One of the Democratic front runners is running a campaign where her supporters are conducting whisper campaigns about her opponent’s religion, she hints that we might be less safe from terrorism if we elect her opponent, her supporters are attempting to suppress voter turnout among her rival’s supporters, she’s accusing him of flip flopping on Iraq. And then she mocks voters who are calling for change from the political status quo?

Am I forgetting anything here?

[Speed of Sound]

You forgot outraging the black community with ridiculous statements.....over and over again.



Other than that, you pretty much got it. Is hse sure she's in the Dem primary.

[Trilobyte]

Let's get real: this is politics. Clinton, Obama and everyone else have independent groups working on their behalf as well. The only difference is that one of them somehow claims to represent a new kind of politics while playing the same old tricks as everyone else.

[Speed of Sound]

while playing the same old tricks as everyone else.

   links please? You can show that Obama has been just as dirty as her MLK comments, religion whisper campaigns, Bill's raging insults, lying on Obama flip flopping, and obvious gender carding?

[TomC]

Let's get real: this is politics. Clinton, Obama and everyone else have independent groups working on their behalf as well. The only difference is that one of them somehow claims to represent a new kind of politics while playing the same old tricks as everyone else.

Oh, right. Sorry, forgot I'm not supposed to hope for anything beyond the status quo.

playing the same old tricks as everyone else

If you're referring to Obama, specifically what tricks are you talking about?

Clinton staffers and cronies not outside groups, have mailciously accused Barack Obama of being a Muslim cokehead. Yeah, saying "You're likable enough" is the same thing.

Seriously, how has Obama used the tried and true GOP tactic of suppressing voters both through the rules and via negative campaigning which turns voters off?

[TomC]

I actually don't think Bill's comments (a la fairy tale) were that insulting. The rub here is that he took the heat off of Hillary for the MLK/Johnson quote.

[Trilobyte]

Give me a break. The MLK comment was just an innocent remark that the Obama people are trying to spin and distort into some scandal. A gaffe is not the same as an insult. To be fair, Obama's "You are likable enough" falls in the same category. He probably meant something different but it came out as a classless remark. The Muslim thing is just an urban legend. When did Clinton herself ever mention it?

Of course, Obama's people do the same thing with whisper campaigns about Clinton being unelectable. One of his staff was behind the "1984" ad and then tries to claim he was acting on his own. Against the rules, he formed a PAC to give political contributions to officials in primary states. He distorted Clinton's Iran resolution vote claiming it authorized war when he himself supported the same thing but didn't vote.  He spins that his health care plan covers everyone when it clearly does not. He forges deals with Biden and Richardson in Iowa and then denies it to the press ... etc.

This is politics, and the truth is Obama hires the same Washington stategists and consultants who are paid to do what they always do best. Honestly, I don't have a probelm with the conduct of either the Clinton or Obama campaigns. They are both doing what it takes to win.

[Inmate Trump]

Every Obama supporter loved the Clinton's before this election.  Now, they all view both Bill and Hillary as no better than your average Republican.  Among Democrats, as anyone who has been paying attention since 1992, Bill and Hillary once could do no wrong...period.  Now, it's the complete opposite.

I don't understand the sudden reversal.

If anything, Hillary's campaign has been the "nice" one when compared to the way Obama and Edwards have conducted their respective campaigns.  Attack after attack against Hillary Clinton all the while she has mostly been sitting on the sidelines playing it the nice way up until she lost Iowa.  Now, understandably, she's starting to treat her opponents the exact same way they've been treating her for just about over a year now.  But it's just so terrible when she does it....

Give me a break. 

[Sam Spade]

Hillary today on MTP on her MLK statement:

"This is an unfortunate story line the Obama campaign has pushed very successfully," the former first lady said in a spirited appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press." "I don't think this campaign is about gender, and I sure hope it's not about race."

Hillary later on in the day about the Obama at a "black" church in South Carolina:

"Probably many of us thought we would never see the day when an African-American and a woman were competing for the presidency of the United States," Clinton said at the Northminster Presbyterian Church in Columbia. "I am so proud of my party I am so proud of my country and I am so proud of Sen. Barack Obama, because together we have presented our cases to the people."

"I am standing here, Senator Obama stands before you as a result of the generations of men and women who protested and picketed, faced dogs and tear gas," she continued. "Who were beaten and jailed who had night sticks crush their skulls. Some who lost their very lives. They risked their lives because they looked into the eyes of their children and saw the promise of a better future. We stand here today because of their sacrifice."


Ah, the beautiful return of triangulation...  Bill Clinton destroyed feminism for a generation.  What will Hillary destroy?

[bgwah]

Every Obama supporter loved the Clinton's before this election.  Now, they all view both Bill and Hillary as no better than your average Republican.  Among Democrats, as anyone who has been paying attention since 1992, Bill and Hillary once could do no wrong...period.  Now, it's the complete opposite.

I don't understand the sudden reversal.

If anything, Hillary's campaign has been the "nice" one when compared to the way Obama and Edwards have conducted their respective campaigns.  Attack after attack against Hillary Clinton all the while she has mostly been sitting on the sidelines playing it the nice way up until she lost Iowa.  Now, understandably, she's starting to treat her opponents the exact same way they've been treating her for just about over a year now.  But it's just so terrible when she does it....

Give me a break. 

Brilliant! Do you have magical powers that allow you to read the minds of Obama supporters? That's funny, I could've sworn that I have disliked Hillary Clinton for years, but obviously you know me better than I do.

Or maybe, just maybe, you're being an idiot like you always have been. Yeah, I think that's the case.

[Sam Spade]

Bob Johnson (BET founder and Clinton backer) on Obama's past today:

"As an African American, I'm frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Bill and Hillary Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood that I won't say what he was doing, but he said it in his book."

(Aside:  He may be a founder of BET, but his grasp of sentence structure clearly shows he is a member of the "black community")

After the Obama camp complains, he later on says, through a statement from Clinton "campgin":

"My comments today were referring to Barack Obama's time spent as a community organizer, and nothing else. Any other suggestion is simply irresponsible and incorrect."

I agree.  Community organizers are a total disgrace to the black community.
rofl

[7,052,770]

I'm really scared of what these Obama fanatics are going to do if Hillary wins the nomination.

[Torie]

Hillary has a tin ear. She is just off key -  often.

[© tweed]

I'm really scared of what these Obama fanatics are going to do if Hillary wins the nomination.

it's your people that voted for Richard Nixon

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I'm really scared of what these Obama fanatics are going to do if Hillary wins the nomination.

Vote for her?

[Sam Spade]

I'm really scared of what these Obama fanatics are going to do if Hillary wins the nomination.

Vote for her?

Isn't that the obvious answer?  Of course (unless the candidate is Romney or likely Huckabee), that's what I would be scared of.

[Sam Spade]

Bob Johnson (BET founder and Clinton backer) on Obama's past today:

"As an African American, I'm frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Bill and Hillary Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood that I won't say what he was doing, but he said it in his book."

(Aside:  He may be a founder of BET, but his grasp of sentence structure clearly shows he is a member of the "black community")

After the Obama camp complains, he later on says, through a statement from Clinton "campgin":

"My comments today were referring to Barack Obama's time spent as a community organizer, and nothing else. Any other suggestion is simply irresponsible and incorrect."

I agree.  Community organizers are a total disgrace to the black community.
rofl

Reading further, I missed the best part of Johnson's comment:

"That kind of campaign behavior does not resonate with me, for a guy who says, ‘I want to be a reasonable, likable, Sidney Poitier ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner.’ And I’m thinking, I’m thinking to myself, 'This ain’t a movie, Sidney. This is real life.'"

I guess Obama's just not fit enough to marry a white woman.

[7,052,770]

I'm really scared of what these Obama fanatics are going to do if Hillary wins the nomination.

Vote for her?

I hope so, but the way they're acting, I'm not so sure.  They seem to hate her more than Republicans do.

[Mr. Morden]

I'm really scared of what these Obama fanatics are going to do if Hillary wins the nomination.

Vote for her?

I hope so, but the way they're acting, I'm not so sure.  They seem to hate her more than Republicans do.

It's nothing compared to the animosity between the supporters of the various GOP candidates.

[Lief 🗽]

Again, I don't see why I owe Clinton my vote just because she has a D next to her name. If Ron Paul, or Mike Huckabee or Rudy Giuliani had a D next to his name, I wouldn't feel obliged to vote for him.

[Speed of Sound]

I'm really scared of what these Obama fanatics are going to do if Hillary wins the nomination.

Vote for her?

I hope so, but the way they're acting, I'm not so sure.  They seem to hate her more than Republicans do.

I sure as Hell wont. Not a chance in Hell. She campaigns dirtier than them. If its Mitt or John, Im supporting the Republican, and if its one of the others, (and even still maybe for McCain), Im supprting the Socialist Party USA ticket.

[Хahar 🤔]

I'm really scared of what these Obama fanatics are going to do if Hillary wins the nomination.

Vote for her?

I hope so, but the way they're acting, I'm not so sure.  They seem to hate her more than Republicans do.

I sure as Hell wont. Not a chance in Hell. She campaigns dirtier than them. If its Mitt or John, Im supporting the Republican, and if its one of the others, (and even still maybe for McCain), Im supprting the Socialist Party USA ticket.

Hooray for Brian Moore!

[7,052,770]

I'm really scared of what these Obama fanatics are going to do if Hillary wins the nomination.

Vote for her?

I hope so, but the way they're acting, I'm not so sure.  They seem to hate her more than Republicans do.

I sure as Hell wont. Not a chance in Hell. She campaigns dirtier than them. If its Mitt or John, Im supporting the Republican, and if its one of the others, (and even still maybe for McCain), Im supprting the Socialist Party USA ticket.

Again, I don't see why I owe Clinton my vote just because she has a D next to her name. If Ron Paul, or Mike Huckabee or Rudy Giuliani had a D next to his name, I wouldn't feel obliged to vote for him.

They don't have D's by their name.  They are right of center and could never win the Democratic nomination.
Clinton, however, is left of center, and can, and in this scenario, has, won the Democratic nomination.  There's a huge difference.

[Joe Biden 2020]

I tell you I was most disappointed with that senior Clinton campaign official who was charged with DWI this past week.  That shows a lack of judgement.  I hope Clinton kicks him off her staff.

That said, that will not deter my support of the Junior Senator from New York.

[Speed of Sound]

I'm really scared of what these Obama fanatics are going to do if Hillary wins the nomination.

Vote for her?

I hope so, but the way they're acting, I'm not so sure.  They seem to hate her more than Republicans do.

I sure as Hell wont. Not a chance in Hell. She campaigns dirtier than them. If its Mitt or John, Im supporting the Republican, and if its one of the others, (and even still maybe for McCain), Im supprting the Socialist Party USA ticket.

With the Socialist Party as my alternative? Sorry that I vote for who I think is the best candidate, instead of spinelessly falling in line.