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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2007, 06:32:26 AM »

I found out some funny sh**t when researching this.  From Time (link)SadQuote
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But that's nothing really.  For some reason the entire European Parliament travels monthly from Brussels to Strasbourg France....well, there is a reason, French ego:
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The equivalent of 13,000 transatlantic round-trip flights according to the leader of Labour's MEPs, Gary Titley.link from BBC

A united Europe will never work because of hard headed politicians and national jingoism.  I'll say it again, good luck.
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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2007, 08:52:46 AM »

I found out some funny sh**t when researching this.  From Time (link)SadQuote
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But that's nothing really.  For some reason the entire European Parliament travels monthly from Brussels to Strasbourg France....well, there is a reason, French ego:
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The equivalent of 13,000 transatlantic round-trip flights according to the leader of Labour's MEPs, Gary Titley.link from BBC

A united Europe will never work because of hard headed politicians and national jingoism.  I'll say it again, good luck.

Old news! A few disagreements doesn't spell the end of the EU
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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2007, 10:56:14 PM »

Europe is screwed, especially the EU members.  National sovereignty is all but finished.
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« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2007, 05:16:19 AM »

Hungary became the first EU member to ratify the new Treaty of Lisbon when the Hungarian National Assembly voted 325-5 Monday in favor of the treaty. Fourteen assembly members abstained from the vote. Leaders from the 27 European Union member countries signed the EU reform treaty last week, but all member countries must ratify the document before it can take effect. Only Ireland is planning to hold a referendum on the new treaty.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2007/12/hungary-first-eu-country-to-ratify.php
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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2008, 02:10:14 PM »

Lisbon treaty gets nod from three parliaments

By Zoe Casey

Danish and Austrian parliaments approve reform treaty; backing is still needed from the upper house of the Bundestag.

Four countries have in the space of two days approved the Treaty of Lisbon. Portugal's parliament gave the treaty, which is intended to streamline the functioning of EU institutions, its overwhelming support on 23 April, and the Austrian, Danish and German assemblies followed suit on 24 April.
 
In Denmark, the motion passed with 90 vote in favour and 25 against. The opponents were all from the extreme right wing – the Danish People's Party (Dansk Folkeparti) – and the extreme left wing – the Red-Green Alliance (Enhedslisten) – of the political spectrum. Denmark's parliament has just one chamber, and its monarchy is constitutionally required to respect the parliament's decision.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Denmark's prime minister, decided against a referendum on the treaty last December after the Danish justice ministry concluded that the new treaty would not lead to any loss of national sovereignty. However, the country is still scheduled to hold at least one referendum on Denmark's four EU opt-outs: on defence policy, justice and home affairs, European citizenship and the adoption of the euro. Fogh Rasmussen on 23 April flagged the possibility of a referendum – or referenda – in the autumn, though he also said he was open to a later date.

Denmark was due to hold a referendum on the European Constitution in 2005, but that plan was scrapped after both the French and the Dutch voted against it.

In Austria, the treaty had to be passed by two chambers of parliament. In both instances, there was residual opposition from two right-wing parties, the FPOe and the BZOe. The treaty now simply needs the signature of President Heinz Fischer.

The Bundestag, Germany's parliament, also approved the treaty, again with an overwhelming – 515 to 58 – majority. Of the five different political parties, only the far-left voted against. The treaty still has to be ratified by the parliament's upper house on 23 May, and signed by German President Horst Köhler, although both steps are largely seen as a formality. Chancellor Angela Merkel claimed the approval of the treaty was a “solid basis” for overcoming the paralysis in EU decision-making. “The new treaty is good for Europe,” she told reporters in Berlin.

The treaty is due to come into force on 1 January 2009. So far 10 other member states – Austria, Bulgaria, France, Hungary, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia – have approved the treaty, though the vote by the Portuguese parliament still needs the formal approval of the country's president. Belgium's state-level parliament has also approved the treaty, though five other assemblies need to add their approval. Ireland, the only country to hold a referendum, will do so on 12 June.

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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2008, 02:38:16 PM »

Europe is screwed, especially the EU members.  National sovereignty is all but finished.

You speak of "National Sovereignty" as if that is a good thing....

So far there has been little campaigning, and what there has been is made out of the weirdest "no" voters putting stickers across Dublin lamposts warning us of the dangers of microchips being inserted within the heads of precious children. Usually underneath there is a picture of satan. Ah yes. Where do these people live? Do they shower?

Okay that isn't entirely true and it is a bit early for a campaign yet, but what 'no' voices there are an embarrassment, make no sense, contradict each other (not surprising, the 'no' vote is the anti-establishment vote, which means an alliance of lunatic fringe, catholic fundamentalists (I know a few!), members of the SWP and those random trots, fascists and other types you always seem to get whenever something "neo-liberal" turns up but then do  all for the time in between, which seems to include shaving oddly enough.

The only sane voice for 'no' and I use the word 'sane' very loosely, is Declan Ganley of right-wing business 'think-tank' libertas, however this seems an entire operation just so people can rant at the bureaucracy and copy tired old arguements from the English Tories. The 'yes' side has been just as painful - but they know they don't have to do anything. Just tell people that they will be really, really bold if they vote 'no' and then remind people that without the EU we wouldn't have this prosperity of 'de Keltic Tigah' all around us and if we vote 'no' somehow Europe will hate us all and might even kick out of the EU or worse, berate us for being really, really disobeident children. That or the possibly of a second referendum when the result goes the 'wrong' way ala Nice.

This is Democracy.

Not to mention that everything that has been discussed so far in relation to the treaty has almost nothing to do with the Lisbon Treaty. And everything to do with reinforcing tired cliches which everyone is tired hearing at this.

If there will be saving grace of this campaign it is that the farmers are rather p'ssed right now, more than usual and might make this competitive. Rant over.
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« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2008, 01:24:17 PM »

Sweden has now also ratified the treaty. That's 23 countries now.

Germany has ratified it but still awaits constitutional approval by the Supreme Court.

The Czech Republic awaits constitutional approval by the Supreme Court, out this Tuesday.

Poland's President still has to ratify it and will do so he said.

Ireland will need a re-vote. A current poll has the "Yes"-side ahead by 4 (maybe because of the financial crisis).
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« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2008, 07:37:37 PM »

Ireland will need a re-vote. A current poll has the "Yes"-side ahead by 4 (maybe because of the financial crisis).

Why do you imagine the financial crisis has shifted Irish views on the Lisbon Treaty?
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