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« on: December 01, 2007, 01:45:00 PM »

Democrats Strip Michigan of Delegates


VIENNA, Va. (AP) -- Democratic leaders voted Saturday to strip Michigan of all its delegates to the national convention next year as punishment for scheduling an early presidential primary in violation of party rules.

In spite of the vote, some party leaders and officials said they believed the delegates would eventually be seated at the convention.

Michigan, with 156 delegates, has scheduled a Jan. 15 primary. Democratic Party rules prohibit states other than Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina from holding nominating contests before Feb. 5. Florida was hit with a similar penalty in August for scheduling a Jan. 29 primary.

Michigan officials anticipated the action by the Democratic National Committee's rules panel. But Michigan Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer said before the vote that he didn't think the delegates would be lost for good. He expects the nominee will insist the state's delegates be seated at the convention.

Saturday's vote further diminishes the significance of Michigan's Democratic primary. All the major Democratic candidates have already agreed not to campaign in either Michigan or Florida because the states violated party rules. And in Michigan, most of the major candidates won't even be on the ballot.

Democratic candidates John Edwards, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson and Joe Biden have withdrawn their names from the ballot to satisfy Iowa and New Hampshire, which were unhappy Michigan was challenging their leadoff status on the primary calendar.

That leaves Hillary Rodham Clinton, Dennis Kucinich, Chris Dodd, Mike Gravel and ''uncommitted,'' as the choices on the Democratic ballot in Michigan.

The DNC rules panel voted by voice vote, with only a few dissents.

Michigan officials defended their early primary, saying it helps provide geographic, racial and economic diversity early in the primary calendar. They also complained that other states that were allowed to hold early votes were receiving preferential treatment.

''I think it is unconscionable that we continue to grant special treatment to some states in this process,'' Brewer told the DNC rules panel.

Alexis Herman, co-chair of the DNC rules panel, said party leaders worked for two years to create a primary calendar that respected the historic roles of Iowa and New Hampshire, while adding geographic and racial diversity by allowing Nevada and South Carolina to vote early.

Other panel members sympathized with Michigan, but they said they must enforce the rules.

''While we may not like the rules, if we don't respect the rules, then we are going to have chaos,'' said committee member Yvonne Gates of Nevada.

Both political parties have been struggling to control their chaotic calendars.

The Republicans have stripped half the delegates from New Hampshire, Florida, South Carolina, Michigan and Wyoming for scheduling early primaries and caucuses. Republican rules don't allow any states to hold nominating contests before Feb. 5.

The Republicans, however, haven't set any restrictions on campaigning in states that violate party rules. That has some Democrats concerned that they could lose votes in Florida, the fourth largest state, and Michigan, the eighth largest.

Former DNC Chairman Don Fowler, a member of the rules panel, said stripping the delegates from Michigan and Florida -- and prohibiting candidates from campaigning there during the primaries -- will hurt party-building efforts in those states.

Fowler also said that stripping the delegates was unnecessary, since many party insiders believe that the eventual nominee will have them restored at the convention.

''No one at this table believes that the delegates from Florida and Michigan will be absent from the convention,'' Fowler told the rules panel.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., said in a statement: ''The threat not to seat the delegates of Michigan and Florida at the Democratic convention is a hollow threat. They will be seated, and when they are, it will be plain for all to see that the privileged position that New Hampshire and Iowa have extracted through threats and pledges from candidates is on its last legs.''

Under convention rules, a credentials committee controlled by the presidential candidate with the most delegates will verify the legitimacy of delegates.

With Florida and Michigan stripped of delegates, Democratic candidates will now need support from at least 2,026 delegates to secure the nomination.

The panel gave Michigan officials 30 days to change their minds and schedule a later vote, but Brewer said the state will stick with Jan. 15.

Debbie Dingell, a DNC member from Michigan, said the state party will work for the party's nominee, regardless of the delegate flap.

''Michigan will pull together,'' Dingell said. ''We know how to fight.''

With the DNC's work Saturday, the primary calendar appears to be set. The panel approved some final shifting of early contests, approving the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, the New Hampshire primary on Jan. 8, and the South Carolina primary on Jan. 26. The Nevada caucuses had already been approved for Jan. 19. The panel also gave final approval for Massachusetts to move its primary from March 4 to Feb. 5.
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2007, 02:01:06 PM »

With the DNC's work Saturday, the primary calendar appears to be set. The panel approved some final shifting of early contests, approving the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, the New Hampshire primary on Jan. 8, and the South Carolina primary on Jan. 26. The Nevada caucuses had already been approved for Jan. 19.

Wow, talk about caving to IA and NH.  The calendar approved by the DNC last year said that IA could vote no earlier than Jan. 14th and NH could vote no earlier than Jan. 22nd.  The NV caucus was to be held in between those two in order to make a more racially diverse state more important to the process.  Now NH cuts ahead in line, and IA moves ahead as well.  So the original special treatment granted to IA and NH (letting them go in mid-Jan., when most states can't vote until February) wasn't good enough?  Now the DNC will just let them vote whenever they feel like it, while MI and FL are punished for trying to do the same thing?
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2007, 04:37:04 PM »

That is so stupid. Crazy people.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2007, 04:46:38 PM »

The DNC is irrelevant. It's the primaries that matter.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2007, 07:54:56 PM »

With the DNC's work Saturday, the primary calendar appears to be set. The panel approved some final shifting of early contests, approving the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, the New Hampshire primary on Jan. 8, and the South Carolina primary on Jan. 26. The Nevada caucuses had already been approved for Jan. 19.

Wow, talk about caving to IA and NH.  The calendar approved by the DNC last year said that IA could vote no earlier than Jan. 14th and NH could vote no earlier than Jan. 22nd.  The NV caucus was to be held in between those two in order to make a more racially diverse state more important to the process.  Now NH cuts ahead in line, and IA moves ahead as well.  So the original special treatment granted to IA and NH (letting them go in mid-Jan., when most states can't vote until February) wasn't good enough?  Now the DNC will just let them vote whenever they feel like it, while MI and FL are punished for trying to do the same thing?


And had MI not moved to the 15th, I'm sure IA/NH wouldn't have moved to the 3rd/8th.  They want to protect their first-in-the-nation spot, understandably, and simply stripping delegates isn't a good enough guarantee that that's the case, especially if MI forces Edwards/Obama/Richardson/Biden to be on the ballot.
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2007, 08:01:59 PM »

OK, fine. But I don't want to hear any Democrat complain if they lose both Michigan and Florida.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2007, 08:26:38 PM »

And had MI not moved to the 15th, I'm sure IA/NH wouldn't have moved to the 3rd/8th.

Not necessarily to those specific dates, but they still would have moved.  NH said months ago that they didn't care what the DNC rules were, they were going to move their date to at least a week before NV's caucus and SC's GOP primary on the 19th.  That was part of the reason why many of the MI Dems went along with the Jan. 15th primary idea.  They said "If NH is going to ignore the rules, we will too."  But now the DNC changes the rules so that what NH has done is OK, while what MI has done is not.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2007, 09:35:13 PM »

OK, fine. But I don't want to hear any Democrat complain if they lose both Michigan and Florida.

Maybe FL, but no way do we lose MI
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2007, 08:08:23 AM »


If I was a Michigan democrat, I'd have to consider not voting for them.
I'd say "It's my party too"

I think  this could hurt the dems in most elections, however, in 2008, I still believe they win the election.

Did the Republicans do something similar in Michigan?

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2007, 08:37:24 AM »

And had MI not moved to the 15th, I'm sure IA/NH wouldn't have moved to the 3rd/8th.

Not necessarily to those specific dates, but they still would have moved.  NH said months ago that they didn't care what the DNC rules were, they were going to move their date to at least a week before NV's caucus and SC's GOP primary on the 19th.  That was part of the reason why many of the MI Dems went along with the Jan. 15th primary idea.  They said "If NH is going to ignore the rules, we will too."  But now the DNC changes the rules so that what NH has done is OK, while what MI has done is not.


Ok, the MI Dems do have a right to be pissed.  But NH really didn't have much of a choice if SC was going to be on the 19th for the Republicans.  If NH wants to protect its 'god-given right' to the first-in-the-nation primary, they have to be first in the nation, on both sides.  Which means that they really had to go on the 15th or the 8th.  And holding separate D/R primaries isn't really an option either, as then independents either vote twice or don't vote at all.
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2007, 11:57:11 AM »

Well yes, I understand the self-interested reasons why NH did what they did, but why should the DNC be enabling them like this?  The DNC should have just stuck to their original rules, rather than enforcing those rules arbitrarily at the last minute.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2007, 02:31:32 PM »

would this along with having romney as either presidential nominee of veep nominee on thhe ticket help gain michigan for the gop?
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