Affirmative Action Reform Bill of 2007 [Failed]

[Verily]

Affirmative Action Reform Bill of 2007

1. F.L. 8-14 is repealed.


(Sponsor: Ebowed)

[Verily]

Well, since no one else is talking, I will say that I am opposed to this bill and find no redeeming facet to the return of affirmative action, an outdated practice in modern Atlasia that reaffirms stereotypes and prejudices of all sorts.

[Ebowed]

Well, since no one else is talking, I will say that I am opposed to this bill and find no redeeming facet to the return of affirmative action, an outdated practice in modern Atlasia that reaffirms stereotypes and prejudices of all sorts.

The bill in question even bans affirmative action on the basis of socio-economic status.

Either way, the sad fact is that workplaces and educational institutions are not integrated.  Prospective employers are more likely to call someone with a "white-sounding" name than a "black-sounding" one.  I don't see why federal agencies should not be allowed to determine their own criteria when it comes to affirmative action.  Hopefully some would see fit to attempt to increase diversity among their employees.

[MasterJedi]

I'll provide the bill for people and I'll chime in since I supported it back in the day (and so does our President). And it's for giving special preference based on race, sex, sexual orientation, ethnicity or economic status. Meaning we hire people for their qualifications instead of getting someone in there just to keep the place diverse.

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Affirmative_Action_Act

[DownWithTheLeft]

This bill is easily more absurd than the "Fairness to the Children Act"

[Verily]

This bill is easily more absurd than the "Fairness to the Children Act"

More? Certainly not.

[DownWithTheLeft]

This bill is easily more absurd than the "Fairness to the Children Act"

More? Certainly not.

It least that was to clear up discrepancies, this has no purpose other than to overturn a largely accepted and not oft objected to law

[Ebowed]

Meaning we hire people for their qualifications instead of getting someone in there just to keep the place diverse.

I don't think you really understand what affirmative action is.

If an employer has two completely equal candidates for a position, he might consider picking the one from a more diverse background.  Affirmative action is not a quota policy, or forced hiring of anyone solely for their skin color.

[Verily]

Meaning we hire people for their qualifications instead of getting someone in there just to keep the place diverse.

I don't think you really understand what affirmative action is.

If an employer has two completely equal candidates for a position, he might consider picking the one from a more diverse background.  Affirmative action is not a quota policy, or forced hiring of anyone solely for their skin color.

There is no such thing as "completely equal" candidates.

[Ebowed]

There is no such thing as "completely equal" candidates.

It probably happens all the time, especially in lower-level employment.

[Verily]

There is no such thing as "completely equal" candidates.

It probably happens all the time, especially in lower-level employment.

The government is not in the business of hiring unskilled laborers as far as I am aware, and even there candidates can always be distinguished by communication skills, physical strength, etc. Affirmative action is a tool of the lazy decision-maker.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Meaning we hire people for their qualifications instead of getting someone in there just to keep the place diverse.

I don't think you really understand what affirmative action is.

If an employer has two completely equal candidates for a position, he might consider picking the one from a more diverse background.  Affirmative action is not a quota policy, or forced hiring of anyone solely for their skin color.

Hi, we have a word for that RACISM

[Hatman 🍁]

Meaning we hire people for their qualifications instead of getting someone in there just to keep the place diverse.

I don't think you really understand what affirmative action is.

If an employer has two completely equal candidates for a position, he might consider picking the one from a more diverse background.  Affirmative action is not a quota policy, or forced hiring of anyone solely for their skin color.

There is no such thing as "completely equal" candidates.

True, but there is such a thing as being more or less equal. This is the case when one interviewer will think one candidate is better, while another will think another is better.  It is in these circumstances that affirmative action should be implemented.

[Ebowed]

Hi, we have a word for that RACISM

Is requiring there to be an equal number of male and female P.E. teachers a form of sexism?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Hi, we have a word for that RACISM

Is requiring there to be an equal number of male and female P.E. teachers a form of sexism?

That has nothing to do with this.  The reason they have that is so that you don't have a guy monitoring a girls locker room and vice versa, where is the comparsion possible there?

[Ebowed]

Hi, we have a word for that RACISM

Is requiring there to be an equal number of male and female P.E. teachers a form of sexism?

That has nothing to do with this.  The reason they have that is so that you don't have a guy monitoring a girls locker room and vice versa, where is the comparsion possible there?

What I just described to you is a form of sex-based affirmative action, which is illegal under the bill I'm trying to repeal.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Hi, we have a word for that RACISM

Is requiring there to be an equal number of male and female P.E. teachers a form of sexism?

That has nothing to do with this.  The reason they have that is so that you don't have a guy monitoring a girls locker room and vice versa, where is the comparsion possible there?

What I just described to you is a form of sex-based affirmative action, which is illegal under the bill I'm trying to repeal.

That is not affirmative action, that is just avoiding creepiness and lawsuits

[Ebowed]

That is not affirmative action, that is just avoiding creepiness and lawsuits

Under the definition of affirmative action provided in the relevant legislation, a school policy to have an equal number of P.E. teachers from each sex would be an example of illegal affirmative action.

You know, DWDL, it's interesting that you support banning affirmative action, yet as a libertarian you would argue against laws restricting the rights of employers to determine their own criteria.

[DownWithTheLeft]

That is not affirmative action, that is just avoiding creepiness and lawsuits

Under the definition of affirmative action provided in the relevant legislation, a school policy to have an equal number of P.E. teachers from each sex would be an example of illegal affirmative action.

You know, DWDL, it's interesting that you support banning affirmative action, yet as a libertarian you would argue against laws restricting the rights of employers to determine their own criteria.

This has nothing to do with private employers, this is the government.  If private employers want to hire someone because their black, that's their perogative, but the government should not engage in such a practice.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

I'm not sure why a school needs equal numbers of male and female P.E. teachers.  Male P.E. teachers can't handle female students and vice versa?

[Ebowed]

I'm not sure why a school needs equal numbers of male and female P.E. teachers.  Male P.E. teachers can't handle female students and vice versa?

The more important thing is that, say, if a school has three P.E. teachers, at least one of them is of the other sex.  Rather than three male or three female teachers.  Having an equal amount is only a good idea if the school is large enough to warrant having a higher, even number of P.E. teachers.

Keep in mind that in a lot of schools P.E. teachers are also responsible for health and sex education.  Students who have private questions will feel more comfortable asking the teacher of the same sex.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

I'm not sure why a school needs equal numbers of male and female P.E. teachers.  Male P.E. teachers can't handle female students and vice versa?

The more important thing is that, say, if a school has three P.E. teachers, at least one of them is of the other sex.  Rather than three male or three female teachers.  Having an equal amount is only a good idea if the school is large enough to warrant having a higher, even number of P.E. teachers.

Keep in mind that in a lot of schools P.E. teachers are also responsible for health and sex education.  Students who have private questions will feel more comfortable asking the teacher of the same sex.

I've had health/sex ed with both male and female teachers; gay and straight teachers.  Honestly, I saw little difference in the two.  And I'd much rather have the best teachers teaching sex ed, rather than ones picked for gender compatibility.

[Verily]

Given that debate has died on this legislation, I will bring this to a final vote.

[Verily]

We are now voting on the final passage of the following legislation. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

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[Verily]

Nay