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« on: November 10, 2007, 02:58:07 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2007, 03:56:59 PM »
That it reduced welfare, of course.  There was soooooooo little even before!
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2007, 06:21:37 PM »
Quote from: opebo on November 10, 2007, 03:56:59 PM
That it reduced welfare, of course.  There was soooooooo little even before!
Agree. I would have put it as workfare but not reduced it further.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2007, 06:25:10 PM »
It was too harsh on immigrants, kicked 11 million off welfare, and accentuated a sense of political thinking that persists today, that "welfare recipients are lazy and don't need it"
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2007, 06:26:44 PM »
Quote from: Ebowed on November 10, 2007, 06:25:10 PM
It was too harsh on immigrants, kicked 11 million off welfare, and accentuated a sense of political thinking that persists today, that "welfare recipients are lazy and don't need it"
Would you have objected to it if the change had been keeping the programs eligibility as is but making on welfare have to work?
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2007, 06:28:56 PM »
Quote from: Abraham on November 10, 2007, 06:26:44 PM
Would you have objected to it if the change had been keeping the programs eligibility as is but making on welfare have to work?

I don't support requiring welfare recipients to be employed, so yes.
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2007, 06:30:48 PM »
Why do you oppose it?
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2007, 06:35:33 PM »

Some of the people who need welfare the most are those who can't find work.  Maybe due to physical condition, previous criminal record, or low ability, or what have you.
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2007, 06:36:58 PM »
Gee some people just can't cut it in life. You can't have perfection so just try to help the most possible even if it means leaving the bottom 10% behind. Simply legalize suicide plus paying people to get sterilizations/abortions.
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2007, 06:40:59 PM »
Quote from: Abraham on November 10, 2007, 06:36:58 PM
Gee some people just can't cut it in life. You can't have perfection so just try to help the most possible even if it means leaving the bottom 10% behind. Simply legalize suicide plus paying people to get sterilizations/abortions.

I support legalized suicide, as well as public funding of abortions, but the "bottom 10%" should still be given the opportunity to have the right to pursue happiness.
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2007, 06:41:40 PM »
The right to pursue happiness is mentioned in the declaration of indepenedence not the constittuion so it's irrelevant.
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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2007, 06:42:15 PM »
Quote from: Abraham on November 10, 2007, 06:41:40 PM
The right to pursue happiness is mentioned in the declaration of indepenedence not the constittuion so it's irrelevant.

I'm not talking about the constitution.  They should have that right, regardless of whether it is constitutionally guaranteed or not.
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2007, 06:46:26 PM »
Why? What makes being a welfare parasite and not contributing anything a right?
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2007, 06:47:52 PM »
Quote from: Abraham on November 10, 2007, 06:46:26 PM
Why? What makes being a welfare parasite and not contributing anything a right?

The government has an obligation, in my view, to take care of its citizens which are the worst off.
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2007, 06:50:03 PM »
I don't see why my money should go to someone whose been in and out of prison on felony charges and can't find a job because of it.
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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2007, 07:07:23 PM »
Quote from: Abraham on November 10, 2007, 06:41:40 PM
The right to pursue happiness is mentioned in the declaration of indepenedence not the constittuion so it's irrelevant.

Don't you consider the Constitution to be an illegal document anyway?
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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2007, 07:14:16 PM »
I broadly agree with most of Moynihan's criticisms of it.
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2007, 07:16:02 PM »
Quote from: Boardbashi on November 10, 2007, 07:14:16 PM
I broadly agree with most of Moynihan's criticisms of it.
And for those of us not in the know what were those criticisms?
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