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« on: October 24, 2007, 12:09:13 PM »
yes.
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2007, 12:21:11 PM »
No.  And certainly not over hot pursuit.
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2007, 12:33:09 PM »
No. You might be seperated from a p-ssed off Turkey by an ocean but we're not!
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2007, 01:00:06 PM »
Quote from: afleitch on October 24, 2007, 12:33:09 PM
No. You might be seperated from a p-ssed off Turkey by an ocean but we're not!

Then what exactly is that blue stuff there? HUH? TELL ME!
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2007, 01:26:06 PM »
One of two things happened with Turkey in Iraq

1) The Kurds randomly attacked Turkey, and so the United States should be defending Turkey against the Kurds.

2) Turkey decided to take pre-emptive action against the terrorists, and so by following the Bush doctrine, invaded Iraq.

It doesn't matter which case, the true question is should Bush, Cheney, and a lot of other members of the federal government  be asked to leave?
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2007, 01:38:01 PM »
If the US weren't tossed from NATO over the Iraq War - actually, make that the Vietnam War - it's safe to say it is impossible to be tossed from NATO.
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2007, 03:08:51 PM »
Quote from: SE Magistrate John Dibble on October 24, 2007, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: afleitch on October 24, 2007, 12:33:09 PM
No. You might be seperated from a p-ssed off Turkey by an ocean but we're not!

Then what exactly is that blue stuff there? HUH? TELL ME!



Just a bigfish in a little pond Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 03:34:54 PM »
« Edited: October 24, 2007, 03:40:02 PM by Boris »

Don't you think this is a little hypocritical? If the U.S. can invade Iraq to 'fight terrorists' or whatever justification was given, surely Turkey can do the same? And they certainly have had far more provocation than we had; the PKK has been engaging in terrorist attacks on Turkish soil since 1984. 
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2007, 04:11:33 PM »
Sure.  Let's do all we can to foster a future Russo-Turkish alliance.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2007, 07:24:47 PM »
No.
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2007, 08:06:19 PM »
Quote from: Boris on October 24, 2007, 03:34:54 PM

Don't you think this is a little hypocritical? If the U.S. can invade Iraq to 'fight terrorists' or whatever justification was given, surely Turkey can do the same? And they certainly have had far more provocation than we had; the PKK has been engaging in terrorist attacks on Turkish soil since 1984. 

it is more than the kurds issue.

turkey has a long history of acting like brutes. 

i would also argue that their military has too much influence in their government...certainly too much for a nato country.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2007, 09:03:01 PM »
Quote from: WalterMitty on October 25, 2007, 08:06:19 PM
it is more than the kurds issue.

turkey has a long history of acting like brutes. 

i would also argue that their military has too much influence in their government...certainly too much for a nato country.

You mean like Portugal under Salazar and Greece during the Reign of the Colonels?

I'd agree that Turkey may not yet be stable enough a democracy for EU membership, but considering that Portugal was a charter NATO member despite being a dictatorship, I wouldn't say that democracy was ever a requirement for NATO membership.
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2007, 11:14:35 PM »
No.

They are a valuable ally on many different issues. Seeing as how they are one of the founding members of NATO, kicking them out would create the question of what NATO's point is now, the Cold War being over and all.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2007, 01:38:34 PM »
Actually, Turkey isn't one of the founding twelve members of NATO.  Turkey and Greece joined in 1952, three years after the Treaty of Rome.
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2007, 02:28:50 PM »
Quote from: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on October 24, 2007, 01:26:06 PM
One of two things happened with Turkey in Iraq

1) The Kurds randomly attacked Turkey, and so the United States should be defending Turkey against the Kurds.

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The Kurds aren't 'randomly' attacking Turkey - Turkey is the oppressor that has kept them enslaved for generations, and has slaughtered them periodically (as well as other ethnic minorities).

No, keep in mind that desperate freedom fighters like the PKK (terrorists by the imperial defintion) do not attack people 'randomly'.
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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2007, 02:11:42 AM »
« Edited: October 27, 2007, 02:14:03 AM by Pumpkin Fortuyn »
Quote from: Lamont Zemyna Vaižgantas on October 26, 2007, 01:38:34 PM
Actually, Turkey isn't one of the founding twelve members of NATO.  Turkey and Greece joined in 1952, three years after the Treaty of Rome.

I checked on Wikipedia, and apparently what I meant was the Truman Doctrine, not NATO.

They are still too valuable to NATO to leave it.
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