1964: Johnson/Humphrey (D) vs. Nixon/Rhodes (R)

[Robespierre's Jaw]

Let's say in 1964, former Vice President Richard Milhous Nixon wins the Republican Nomination, after they are deadlocked between Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona and Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York. Liberals and Conservatives both agree that Nixon is the only candidate both of them will support. For Vice President, Nixon selects Governor of Ohio Jim Rhodes.

Whilst on the Democratic side, President Lyndon Baines Johnson is nominated on the first ballot despite being challenged by Governor George Wallace of Alabama. Like in RL, President Johnson selects Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota.

Would Nixon be able to win in 1964 against LBJ? (I highly doubt he could, considering JFK was assassinated in November 1963). Discuss with maps.

[CPT MikeyMike]

With those two tickets, there would be a third party (ie: Thurmond or Wallace) that would be against the Civil Rights legislation of 1964. Nixon is more moderate than Goldwater and he would gain most of the typical Republican states but his loss in 1960 and 1962 make him damaged goods.

Johnson/Humphrey: 362 EV, 51%
Nixon/Rhodes: 129 42% EV,
Third Party: 47 EV 7%

Closest states are CA, NJ and OH

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Johnson/Humphrey (Democrats): 56% PV, 400 EV
Nixon/Rhodes (Republican): 34% PV, 91 EV
Thurmond/Wallace (States Rights): 10% PV, 47 EV

[Lincoln Republican]

Nixon falls a bit short of making a comeback, and is not chosen by the Republicans in 1968.  In 1968, Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York carries the Republican Party to victory.

1964 results 

Johnson/Humphrey                 295
Nixon/Rhodes                          243

[CPT MikeyMike]

Nixon falls a bit short of making a comeback, and is not chosen by the Republicans in 1968.  In 1968, Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York carries the Republican Party to victory.

1964 results 

Johnson/Humphrey                 295
Nixon/Rhodes                          243

After losing to JFK in 1960, losing the governorship of CA in 1962 and the national sympathy for LBJ after JFK's death, you expect Nixon to do better in a national election in 1964?

Sorry Winfield, can't buy that for a dollar!

[True Democrat]

Nixon falls a bit short of making a comeback, and is not chosen by the Republicans in 1968.  In 1968, Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York carries the Republican Party to victory.

1964 results 

Johnson/Humphrey                 295
Nixon/Rhodes                          243

After losing to JFK in 1960, losing the governorship of CA in 1962 and the national sympathy for LBJ after JFK's death, you expect Nixon to do better in a national election in 1964?

Sorry Winfield, can't buy that for a dollar!

Do you actually take Winfield's predictions seriously?

[CPT MikeyMike]

Nixon falls a bit short of making a comeback, and is not chosen by the Republicans in 1968.  In 1968, Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York carries the Republican Party to victory.

1964 results 

Johnson/Humphrey                 295
Nixon/Rhodes                          243

After losing to JFK in 1960, losing the governorship of CA in 1962 and the national sympathy for LBJ after JFK's death, you expect Nixon to do better in a national election in 1964?

Sorry Winfield, can't buy that for a dollar!

Do you actually take Winfield's predictions seriously?

Him and BenConstine have some plausabilty issues with most of their maps. I just want them to see the errors of their ways.

[gorkay]

The election wouldn't have been nearly as close as the predictions above. In the unlikely event that the Republicans would have turned to Nixon in 1964, it would have been an EV landslide of Landon/McGovern proportions. Nixon was something of a joke in those days and hadn't begun the process of rehabilitating himself. The only states in which he would have had any chance at all were the southern ones that Goldwater won, and if there had been a southern third party in the race, he probably wouldn't have won any of those.

[Robespierre's Jaw]

BUMP

Lyndon B. Johnson/Hubert H. Humphrey (D): 333 EV, 50% of the PV
Richard M. Nixon/James Rhodes (R): 158 EV, 43% of the PV
States Rights Ticket: 47 EV, 7% of the PV

Former Vice President Richard Milhous Nixon falls short of winning the White House in 1964. Whilst Nixon performs better than Barry Goldwater in RL 1964, thanks to holding onto a majority of the states he carried in 1960 against John F. Kennedy, Johnson out performs Nixon in the South and other parts of the country.

[Хahar 🤔]

323-114-101

You expect me to buy that just two years after having rejected Tricky Dick, a magical chance will have come over the Californian electorate? Haha hell no.