Atlasian-United States Relations Exploration Act [Passed]

[Sam Spade]

Atlasian-United States Relations Exploration Act

Upon the passage of this bill, the United States Relations Commission shall be created with the following guidelines:
     a. The said commission shall be composed of the following:
            i. One member of the executive branch, as chosen by the President, with the possibility of the President himself,
           ii. Two members of the Senate, as chosen by the Senate at large, to be determined by a first past the post system of voting in the Senate with the top two recipients of votes being elected to serve on the commission,
          iii. One member of the Supreme Court, with the members of the Supreme Court choosing its representive in the same manner as the Senate,
          iv. One governor, as chosen by the governors as a whole by a first past the post system identical to the one used to elect the representatives from the Senate, and
         v. Two other citizens of Atlasia chosen the President, with no requirements on holding or not holding office for any of these citizens.
     b. The said commission shall elect a President and a Vice President to guide debate.
     c. In addition to the inclusion of a President and Vice President, the commission shall create its own rules and procedures and debate, including entertaining statements by citizens of Atlasia who are not members of the Commission and asking other citizens to appear for question and answer sessions.
     d. The primary goal of the said commission shall be to provide a comprehensive policy to the Senate on the possible recognition of the United States, with the topics including the following, but no limited to:
         i. Recognition of the United States,
         ii. Divergence from actual history,
         iii. The budget of Atlasia with regard to the United States,
         iv. The role of the Game Moderator, and
         v. The population, power, and status of Atlasia if it were to recognize the United States
     e. The Commission shall create a final report on its findings on the said issues to present to the Senate.
     f. The report of the commission shall not become law, but shall be used by the Senate for future consideration on this issue.

(Sponsor: Lewis Trondheim)

[minionofmidas]

Amendment to replace the title and text of this act with the following:


Resolution on the issue of Atlasian recognition of the United States of America

Whereas, contrary to the official standpoint of the Atlasian government, the United States of America are still in existence, and still in possession of all the territories formerly in their possession,

1. The Government of Atlasia is urged to recognize de jure the United States of America, and the legality of the government of the United States of America.
2. The Government of Atlasia is urged to establish diplomatic relations with the United States of America.
3. The Government and the people of Atlasia are urged to come to grips with the fact that Atlasia ain't no superpower, but is in fact a fairly small US-shaped country of very little international relevance.


Notice that I've somewhat rewritten section 3 compared to the earlier bill.

[Јas]

The following amendment is now up for vote:

Resolution on the issue of Atlasian recognition of the United States of America

Whereas, contrary to the official standpoint of the Atlasian government, the United States of America are still in existence, and still in possession of all the territories formerly in their possession,

1. The Government of Atlasia is urged to recognize de jure the United States of America, and the legality of the government of the United States of America.
2. The Government of Atlasia is urged to establish diplomatic relations with the United States of America.
3. The Government and the people of Atlasia are urged to come to grips with the fact that Atlasia ain't no superpower, but is in fact a fairly small US-shaped country of very little international relevance.

Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain accordingly.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Nay.

[Brandon H]

Given Lewis is the original sponsor, Aye.

[Ebowed]

Aye

[Hatman 🍁]

nay

[minionofmidas]

Aye

[Verily]

Nay

[Јas]

Tally on Lewis's Amendment
Aye: 3 (Brandon; Ebowed; Lewis)
Nay: 3 (Moderate; Earl; Verily)
Yet to Vote: 4 (afleitch; Al; Rob; Sam)

[Sam Spade]

bump - vote still ongoing on amendment...

[Sam Spade]

Less than one day to vote on this one.

[Sam Spade]

With 3 votes in favor, 3 against and 4 not voting, the VP gets to do his duty.

(for the record I would have voted Abstain, but decided not to vote for Rob's sake)

[Јas]

Aye

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Motion to amend the bill by striking section 3.

I think the government would be well advised, for a large number of reasons, to not go around announcing itself as irrelevant.  Further, the population, size, and level of influence of Atlasia is not a matter for the Senate to legislate.

[minionofmidas]

Motion to amend the bill by striking section 3.

I think the government would be well advised, for a large number of reasons, to not go around announcing itself as irrelevant.  Further, the population, size, and level of influence of Atlasia is not a matter for the Senate to legislate.

That's why this doesn't, strictly speaking, do that.

I'm more than happy to support your amendment, btw, if that means the remainder of the resolution will pass.

[Verily]

For reasons I have made clear in the past, I will be opposing this bill in any form. It is not realistically possible for us to simply "create" issues out of nothing for Atlasia to deal with, but we can address issues facing the United States.

[Sam Spade]

We are now voting on the following amendment:

Motion to amend the bill by striking section 3.

Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


Aye, though I once again repeat that I will vote against final passage.

[Verily]

Aye

[Ebowed]

Nay

[Hatman 🍁]

aye

[minionofmidas]

For reasons I have made clear in the past, I will be opposing this bill in any form. It is not realistically possible for us to simply "create" issues out of nothing for Atlasia to deal with, but we can address issues facing the United States.

Or so some of us thought, back when the game was set up. The untruth of the statement is, I think, plainly clear to anyone who bothers to check the history of gm-ing in Atlasia.

[Brandon H]

Aye

[Verily]

For reasons I have made clear in the past, I will be opposing this bill in any form. It is not realistically possible for us to simply "create" issues out of nothing for Atlasia to deal with, but we can address issues facing the United States.

Or so some of us thought, back when the game was set up. The untruth of the statement is, I think, plainly clear to anyone who bothers to check the history of gm-ing in Atlasia.

And you strive to make the problem worse. Wonderful.

[minionofmidas]

For reasons I have made clear in the past, I will be opposing this bill in any form. It is not realistically possible for us to simply "create" issues out of nothing for Atlasia to deal with, but we can address issues facing the United States.

Or so some of us thought, back when the game was set up. The untruth of the statement is, I think, plainly clear to anyone who bothers to check the history of gm-ing in Atlasia.

And you strive to make the problem worse. Wonderful.

How so? I'm removing the (theoretical, not that we including our gms were ever up to it) task to police the entire world.