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« on: August 28, 2007, 12:22:49 AM »

Guess who bothered to calculate this?

1 West Virginia   22,176.46
2 District of Columbia   29,076.50
3 South Dakota   35,541.77
4 Nevada   36,698.96
5 New Jersey   49,571.36
6 Hawaii   55,891.22
7 Wyoming   57,222.67
8 Wisconsin   57,880.27
9 Oregon   63,806.17
10 Louisiana   63,996.54
11 Iowa   64,827.93
12 Indiana   67,165.11
13 Ohio   68,730.57
14 Florida   68,782.84
15 Nebraska   70,733.24
16 Rhode Island   71,174.00
17 South Carolina   72,020.82
18 Kansas   74,704.73
19 Oklahoma   77,808.96
20 Connecticut   77,884.64
21 Kentucky   79,359.89
22 Arizona   82,217.57
23 North Carolina   83,551.93
24 Alaska   83,756.63
25 New York   87,755.38
26 Michigan   91,778.57
27 Maryland   95,181.81
28 Pennsylvania   97,957.65
29 Missouri   100,736.43
30 Texas   102,654.07
31 Montana   104,959.11
32 North Dakota   105,977.83
33 Illinois   108,745.51
34 Georgia   112,818.57
35 Tennessee   113,939.68
36 Delaware   121,925.14
37 Idaho   122,205.42
38 Alabama   127,750.83
39 Minnesota   129,177.53
40 Colorado   135,810.77
41 Vermont   155,977.00
42 Utah   159,378.94
43 New Mexico   162,883.25
44 Maine   165,196.75
45 Arkansas   165,345.41
46 California   171,969.57
47 Massachusetts   173,978.19
48 Mississippi   194,036.00
49 Virginia   238,840.13
50 Washington   304,561.81
51 New Hampshire   438,298.33
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2007, 02:02:49 AM »

What was your data source?
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2007, 01:25:02 PM »

www.stripclublist.com
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2007, 11:56:14 AM »

What a strange list! Hard to see any pattern there. You should make a map.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2007, 06:22:01 AM »

Ralph Nader?
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2007, 11:37:00 AM »

What a strange list! Hard to see any pattern there. You should make a map.

Maybe sometime.

Minnesota's relatively low showing is another reason to hate the suburbs Sad They have about 2 strip clubs per around 2 million people. The Twin Cities and outstate have rather high ratios.
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2007, 09:45:42 PM »

I made a map. Green is the top 25 states + DC, while red is the bottom 25.

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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 12:23:14 AM »

Wow... there's absolutely no correlation to anything at all. Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2007, 04:37:31 PM »
« Edited: September 28, 2007, 04:39:16 PM by Verily »

Wow... there's absolutely no correlation to anything at all. Cheesy

Not true. The most traditionalist areas, whether those traditions are conservative or liberal, have the fewest strip clubs (Mormon country, the Deep South and Upper New England). Louisiana is of course the exception in the Deep South, but this can be easily attributed to New Orleans alone.
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2007, 12:02:55 AM »

Wow... there's absolutely no correlation to anything at all. Cheesy

Not true. The most traditionalist areas, whether those traditions are conservative or liberal, have the fewest strip clubs (Mormon country, the Deep South and Upper New England). Louisiana is of course the exception in the Deep South, but this can be easily attributed to New Orleans alone.
Ok, that exlpains the Deep South, Utah and the North East...but how does Nebraska, S.Dakota and W.Virginia have more than Illinois, California and Washinton?
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2007, 12:26:43 AM »

Wow... there's absolutely no correlation to anything at all. Cheesy

Not true. The most traditionalist areas, whether those traditions are conservative or liberal, have the fewest strip clubs (Mormon country, the Deep South and Upper New England). Louisiana is of course the exception in the Deep South, but this can be easily attributed to New Orleans alone.
Ok, that exlpains the Deep South, Utah and the North East...but how does Nebraska, S.Dakota and W.Virginia have more than Illinois, California and Washinton?

I'm going to sound like a cliche of myself, but the numbers are largely driven down by suburbs. Suburbs usually have very few, urban areas of course have a lot and in rural areas they usually have a few spread out in areas, but a relatively high ratio per capita. lots of suburbs equal lots of population empty of strip clubs.

This is the reason MN is so low. The ratio in Minneapolis is very low and rural Minnesota is pretty decent but the suburbs have 2 per 2 million people. That's a million to 1 ratio which drives it way up.
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2007, 12:40:06 AM »

There's probably some correlation with gambling laws and the number of casinos.  Both NV and NJ are near the top of the list, with many more strip clubs per capita than most of the states around them.  And I don't know any of the details, but I seem to recall, when I was living in DC, that there were some people who would go to WV for the casinos there, so maybe WV has more liberal gambling laws, or else the Indian tribes in WV are just more into casinos??

One might also look for correlations with racial breakdown, male-to-female ratios, and the average age in the state, though I don't know the numbers on those things well enough to figure out a pattern.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2007, 01:54:28 AM »

There might be at least a weak correlation with income, in that wealthier states have fewer strip clubs.  Here's the GDP per capita map:




Obviously, there are exceptions, like the Deep South, but you've got VA, IL, MN, CA, and WA, which are all wealthier than the states they border, and have few strip clubs.  I was also thinking that maybe states where a larger fraction of the population is white have more strip clubs, though New England and Florida would be big exceptions, among others.
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2007, 01:59:46 AM »

Obviously, there are exceptions, like the Deep South, but you've got VA, IL, MN, CA, and WA, which are all wealthier than the states they border, and have few strip clubs.

I've already explained MN, and that probably applies to the other states as well.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2007, 09:14:36 AM »

But do you know the numbers on suburbs for those other states?
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2007, 09:42:04 AM »

Are laws about strippers just local (city/county) or do the states have some power there too?
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2007, 10:13:06 AM »

Guess who bothered to calculate this?

51 New Hampshire   438,298.33

Haha, dead last.

I can only think of 1 strip club in the whole state, Mark's Showplace in Bedford.  There's probably 1 or 2 more in some remote locations.
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2007, 10:15:27 AM »


Some REALLY good strip clubs in this state. Went to a great bachelor party here back in August. And pretty much anything goes there.
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2007, 02:12:02 PM »
« Edited: October 31, 2007, 02:31:52 PM by September 15, City Lights and The Clouds That Suck Them Dry »

But do you know the numbers on suburbs for those other states?

VA - Almost are in the Hampton Roads area and Richmond. And most in Hampton Roads are in Norfolk. There's one I notice that appears to be in a rural area and two in NOVA. So that confirms my suspicious about suburban areas, although it appears rural Virginia lacks them too.

IL - Someone like Boris would be better at identifying suburbs, but I do see many suburban clubs here, and all that do exist are in the inner suburbs which are really urban and basically extensions of Chicago. Downstate appears to have a decent number, especially the Quad Cities (which probably has a higher per capita number than Chicago). My suspicions might be accurate here as well too.

CA - way too many to analyze. I can say that San Francisco has no shortage of them though, and neither does Los Angeles, although LA has probably a rather low per capita number due to its sheer population. A couple in OC as well. But LA county appears to have as much or less than MN, despite having almost twice the population.

This might be a case where the rate is relatively low due to the population being so packed in a few areas. Mostly rural areas have a higher rate because the population is more spread out, and thus you might end up with a strip club every hundred miles or so to satisfy demand in that area even if that area doesn't have much in population, and the club can still be profitable due to a monopoly. But if the population is densely packed, almost everyone lives in an area that already has tons of strip clubs, and competition is going to force some clubs to close and prevent new ones from opening.

WA - There just aren't many here, period. 7 in Seattle, 3 in Spokane, 1 in Tacoma but 4 in nearby Lakewood, 2 in an unicorporated part of Kitsap County, 3 in suburban Seattle and nothing I can see anywhere else. Looks like rural Washington just doesn't like strip clubs. Strange though, I'd expect the urban parts of the state in those areas to have some, none in Bellingham or Yakima surprises me.

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51 New Hampshire   438,298.33

Haha, dead last.

I can only think of 1 strip club in the whole state, Mark's Showplace in Bedford.  There's probably 1 or 2 more in some remote locations.

2 more. One in Seabrook, one in Manchester.


Some REALLY good strip clubs in this state. Went to a great bachelor party here back in August. And pretty much anything goes there.

Fully nudity in alcoholic clubs? Two-way contact? Sounds great if true.

Are laws about strippers just local (city/county) or do the states have some power there too?

Mostly local, though I have heard of attempts to pass rather oppressive laws at the state level in some places.

I know of two laws in Minnesota: No full nudity, only toplessness, and no touching the strippers (they can touch you though of course). However these only apply to clubs that serve alcohol. Non-alcoholic clubs can pretty much do whatever they want. The clubs in Minneapolis still don't allow touching though except for one that allows them only in special VIP dances that cost over $150, but I do know of one in Freeborn county that does.
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2007, 02:34:55 PM »

More evidence to the suburban hypothesis comes from the numbers in Texas and Georgia. They rank relatively low, although Houston and Atlanta are both full of them (especially Atlanta, HOLY SH!T!).
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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2007, 02:56:29 PM »

What I meant was, do you know the numbers on which states have the largest share of their population in the suburbs, in order to see how strong the correlation is?  Not whether the suburbs in those particular states have strip clubs.  Yes, you can point to the suburbs in those particular states, and show how they lack strip clubs, but what about the states that have more strip clubs?  Do they lack suburbs?

Also, how much of it can just be explained by urban vs. rural, as opposed to suburban vs. non-suburban?
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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2007, 03:08:09 PM »
« Edited: October 31, 2007, 03:11:25 PM by September 15, City Lights and The Clouds That Suck Them Dry »

What I meant was, do you know the numbers on which states have the largest share of their population in the suburbs, in order to see how strong the correlation is?  Not whether the suburbs in those particular states have strip clubs.  Yes, you can point to the suburbs in those particular states, and show how they lack strip clubs, but what about the states that have more strip clubs?  Do they lack suburbs?

Ah, well those type of statistics are tough to look up, might be able to calculate though even though it'd take awhile. But as for states lacking suburbs being high, let's look at the top 10:

1 West Virginia   22,176.46
2 District of Columbia   29,076.50
3 South Dakota   35,541.77
4 Nevada   36,698.96
5 New Jersey   49,571.36
6 Hawaii   55,891.22
7 Wyoming   57,222.67
8 Wisconsin   57,880.27
9 Oregon   63,806.17
10 Louisiana   63,996.54

WV, DC, SD and WY all are obviously rather non-suburban. NV can be explained by tourism, same with Hawaii, NJ probably has a similar effect to NV due to gambling, LA can be explained by New Orleans, Oregon can be explained by Portland (one of the highest per capita rates of any city of its size) and is rather anti-suburban and has "smart growth" laws. That leaves only Wisconsin, which I haven't analyzed in depth yet. Also right at #11 you have non-suburban Iowa.

So it appears that often is the case, unless there's something else at work.

Also, how much of it can just be explained by urban vs. rural, as opposed to suburban vs. non-suburban?

A state that's generally rural should tend to have more per capita than a state that's generally urban for the reasons brought up in the analysis of CA, but those exact factors are only present in CA. Nor does it explain states like Maine and NM or the lack of strip clubs in rural VA and WA.

Maybe tourism is the main factor? SD and WY both have large tourism industries. The parts of rural Minnesota with the lowest ratios are also the touristy areas. But that doesn't explain WV...
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2007, 03:24:25 PM »

Well, as I suggested before, there could also be some correlation between strip clubs and gambling/casinos.  WV has commercial casinos and I think it's a gambling destination spot for those in the DC area.
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2007, 06:40:07 PM »


I'm almost positive that's not true. There are no strip clubs in Manchester, I would know it if there were. None in Seabrook, either (although Ten's is right on the MA-NH line in Salisbury, MA).  What are these names you're seeing?

Fully nudity in alcoholic clubs? Two-way contact? Sounds great if true.
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All that and more actually. The strip clubs I went to in Providence were even better than the ones in Montreal. Rumor is that the mob controls the city of Providence, so that's why they're so good.
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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2007, 07:04:44 PM »

Leather and Lace in Seabrook and Pure Gold in Manchester.

If that's true, I wish the mob would come to Minnesota. They haven't been here since the 50s.
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