Establishing an Official Language of Atlasia Bill (Withdrawn)

[Sam Spade]

Establishing an Official Language of Atlasia Bill

1. English is hereby established as the official language of Atlasia.
2. All government documents shall be printed in English and only English
3. The government sponsoring anything containing another language is hereby prohibited

(Sponsor: DWTL)

[Sam Spade]

Clause 3 needs some grammar help.

[SPC]

Establishing an Official Language of Atlasia Bill

1. English is hereby established as the official language of Atlasia.
2. All government documents shall be printed in English and only English
3. The government sponsorship of anything containing another language is hereby prohibited

(Sponsor: DWTL)

How's this?

[Sam Spade]

Establishing an Official Language of Atlasia Bill

1. English is hereby established as the official language of Atlasia.
2. All government documents shall be printed in English and only English
3. The government sponsorship of anything containing another language is hereby prohibited

(Sponsor: DWTL)

How's this?

Did anything change?

[Hatman 🍁]

I would like to propose an amendment that clause 2 and 3 a removed from the bill.

[SPC]

Establishing an Official Language of Atlasia Bill

1. English is hereby established as the official language of Atlasia.
2. All government documents shall be printed in English and only English
3. The government sponsorship of anything containing another language is hereby prohibited

(Sponsor: DWTL)

How's this?

Did anything change?

Yes. I changed Clause 3 from present tense to perfect present tense.

[Ebowed]

I motion to strike Clause 1.

[Hatman 🍁]

I motion to strike Clause 1.

Why remove the only acceptable clause?

[Hatman 🍁]

I propose the following amendment as well,

Clause 1 be changed to:

English and Spanish are hereby established as the official languages of Atlasia.

[Ebowed]

I motion to strike Clause 1.

Why remove the only acceptable clause?

It's not acceptable.  Establishing an official language is completely unnecessary.

[Јas]

I propose the following amendment as well,

Clause 1 be changed to:

English and Spanish are hereby established as the official languages of Atlasia.

I am, of course, offended by this amendment.
How much of the Atlasian population speaks Spanish?
What about the Irish and German speakers in Atlasia? - Cruelly overlooked. ()

[Ebowed]

I am, of course, offended by this amendment.

11% of American homes speak Spanish, fwiw.

[DownWithTheLeft]

The idea actually makes more sense in Atlasia than it does in America, although both are appropriate.  For now on, someone cannot try to just start printing ballots in Spanish or another language to try and deliberatley confuse people.  It also allows us to save money on translators and bilingual printing.  The idea makes perfet sense

[Ebowed]

For now on, someone cannot try to just start printing ballots in Spanish or another language to try and deliberatley confuse people.  It also allows us to save money on translators and bilingual printing.  The idea makes perfet sense

Look, you're not getting something crucial.  This is an English forum.

You just pretty much destroyed the case against this, on your own.  Whatever the ideological reasons to support or oppose this in real life, it's absolutely unnecessary on the forum.

[DownWithTheLeft]

For now on, someone cannot try to just start printing ballots in Spanish or another language to try and deliberatley confuse people.  It also allows us to save money on translators and bilingual printing.  The idea makes perfet sense

Look, you're not getting something crucial.  This is an English forum.

You just pretty much destroyed the case against this, on your own.  Whatever the ideological reasons to support or oppose this in real life, it's absolutely unnecessary on the forum.

Then bring it to a vote immediatley if you do not think that we should be wasting time debating it, however, it is important that we stop the ridiculous practice of having other acceptable languages.

[Ebowed]

What the hell are you talking about?  No one uses any other languages on this forum.  Do you really need a bill to tell the SoFA that he can't print his ballots in Swedish?  You are a joke.

[DownWithTheLeft]

What the hell are you talking about?  No one uses any other languages on this forum.  Do you really need a bill to tell the SoFA that he can't print his ballots in Swedish?  You are a joke.

It extends beyond that, it goes beyond forum affairs and into the daily lives of Atlasians, we should someone fund bilingual things?  It makes no sense.  It would protrude on private business either.

[Ebowed]

It extends beyond that, it goes beyond forum affairs and into the daily lives of Atlasians, we should someone fund bilingual things?  It makes no sense.

If a local government operates in an area where the majority of the population doesn't speak English, they should provide information in both languages.  Why wouldn't they?

Anyway, this is completely useless from a forum affairs standpoint.  Doesn't save anyone any money.  Why would you ban the printing of health vaccine alerts in Spanish in Cuban-American communities?  This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[DownWithTheLeft]

It extends beyond that, it goes beyond forum affairs and into the daily lives of Atlasians, we should someone fund bilingual things?  It makes no sense.

If a local government operates in an area where the majority of the population doesn't speak English, they should provide information in both languages.  Why wouldn't they?

Anyway, this is completely useless from a forum affairs standpoint.  Doesn't save anyone any money.  Why would you ban the printing of health vaccine alerts in Spanish in Cuban-American communities?  This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Do you have an argument other than "this does not make sense"?  The bill makes it imperative that people learn English when coming to our country.

[Ebowed]

No, it forces English down their throats.  Everyone who comes here tends to learn English eventually.  It happens with communities of immigrants over and over.  You're just speeding up this cycle for silly political reasons.  I keep saying that it doesn't make sense because it doesn't.  Why should alerts about life threatening events occurring in bilingual communities only be printed in English?  Why would official government business conducted with non-English speaking countries have documents only printed in English?

[Colin]

Just for this all official documents from the Office of the President will be published wholely in Spanish from now on.

[Sam Spade]

I oppose this legislation.  I do, however, support English immersion for our kids at public schools, but that is a job of the Regional governments (for now).

[Colin]

Let me also, to be serious, say that I am completely opposed to this legislation and will veto it if it is approved.

[King]

A simple pro-con could easily describe my opposition to this:

PRO: DWTL doesn't have to look at those stupid Spanish words on bathroom stalls.

CON: Elimination of other languages (notably Spanish and French) from being used in very important situations (hospitals, traffic signs, various instruction manuals, government documentation, even travel brochures, etc.) as with all the government subsides we have pretty much everything has government sponsorship.

Being a socialist on education, I say the true answer to solving this would be fixing the public school system so immigrants can learn English before being forced into a regular classroom setting.

[Hatman 🍁]

I demand the SoFA prepares ballots in Spanish, Chinese and French from now on.