Assuming he's elected again, do you truly think Donald Trump would run for a third term in 2028?

[Biden Derangement Syndrome Haver]

Absolutely, I have not a single doubt that he will try. And the majority of Republicans will support changing the Constitution to allow him to.

Donald Trump poses a graver threat to the Constitution, to democracy, and to our country's institutions than any other individual in all of U.S. history.

[Tekken_Guy]

Absolutely, I have not a single doubt that he will try. And the majority of Republicans will support changing the Constitution to allow him to.

Donald Trump poses a graver threat to the Constitution, to democracy, and to our country's institutions than any other individual in all of U.S. history.

A majority of Republicans is likely a quarter of congress at best.

[Chaos with Keir Starmer]

People here really need to touch some grass. Life isn’t a Star Wars movie. Trump isn’t Palpatine.

January 20th, 2025 (possibly): Somehow, Trump returned

[Biden Derangement Syndrome Haver]

Absolutely, I have not a single doubt that he will try. And the majority of Republicans will support changing the Constitution to allow him to.

Donald Trump poses a graver threat to the Constitution, to democracy, and to our country's institutions than any other individual in all of U.S. history.

A majority of Republicans is likely a quarter of congress at best.

So Republicans in Congress will suddenly grow a spine and not bend to the whims of their rabid cult base?
They didn't do that after the 2020 election or after Jan. 6 even though the vast majority of Republican Congressmembers believed that was awful and Trump was lying. They still kissed his ring.

Part of it is not wanting to lose their jobs. The other part is actual fear for their safety and that of their families. Because we all know damn well that there will be some Trumpists sending credible death threats their way if they don't go along with it, as well as actual assassination attempts likely occurring.

[Ferguson97]

People here really need to touch some grass. Life isn’t a Star Wars movie. Trump isn’t Palpatine.

If anything, I'd argue that you're the one treating this like a movie. In the movies, the heroes always come out on top in the end and defeat the bad guy.

Real life doesn't work out that way.

[Tekken_Guy]

Absolutely, I have not a single doubt that he will try. And the majority of Republicans will support changing the Constitution to allow him to.

Donald Trump poses a graver threat to the Constitution, to democracy, and to our country's institutions than any other individual in all of U.S. history.

A majority of Republicans is likely a quarter of congress at best.

So Republicans in Congress will suddenly grow a spine and not bend to the whims of their rabid cult base?
They didn't do that after the 2020 election or after Jan. 6 even though the vast majority of Republican Congressmembers believed that was awful and Trump was lying. They still kissed his ring.

Part of it is not wanting to lose their jobs. The other part is actual fear for their safety and that of their families. Because we all know damn well that there will be some Trumpists sending credible death threats their way if they don't go along with it, as well as actual assassination attempts likely occurring.

Changing the constitution requires 2/3 of both chambers of congress and there’s no chance of the GOP having nearly that much in either chamber by 2028.

[Frodo]

Judging by what is happening to Biden, Trump won't be alive or lucid enough by then to make that decision.  

If anything, this whole experience we have had since 2016 is an argument against presidential democracy, and the fact we place so much weight on and give so much power to a single individual.  

The problem is we gave so much power to the executive branch post 9/11 that was supposed to be temporary but it ended up being permanent. Regardless of the outcome , there is pretty much no justification for the executive branch having those powers and Congress should have eliminated them years ago . Frankly 2015 was the best time it could have been done as you had all the ingredients in place to do it:

- You had a democratic president who opposed much of the Bush era increases in executive power

- you had a unified republican Congress who despised Obama

- Republicans really despised Hillary and conventional wisdom was she was favored to win it all in 2016(even if I never bought into that) so republicans had motivation to pass such a bill limiting the power of the presidency.

Progressives also never liked Hillary so they had motivation to go along with it as well


Sadly it never happened

You're pretty much right here. I would argue the presidential democracy isn't the problem. More that politics in a sense is broken because of hyperpartisanship and polarization. The American system of government is designed for compromise and some balance and struggles to function with these political realities.

Parliamentary systems though can also get messy, especially when you have an extremely splintered party system. Coalition governments with three, four or even more parties involved often struggle to deliver broader reforms, can be fragile and often take an insane amount of time to even be formed, causing more instablity. Just look at the Netherlands, Belgium or Israel. Or Bulgaria, which has been holding an election at least once a year and is essentially run by one caretaker cabinet after another for more than three years.

I think a lot of polarization is the consequence of the fact we have concentrated so much power in not only the federal government but in the presidency itself. The consequence of this is that you create a winner take all scenario which naturally leads to polarization as there are only two outcomes to elections : 1. you win it all 2. you lose it all .

As much as I like him as a person, the sad thing is Bush does deserve a lot of the blame for this. He went along with Cheney's view point of "Unitary Executive Authority" and then him and DeLay pushed through the Hastert Rule in the House too . The reason for that is Bush did not want any bills to pass through the Republican House and Senate that he already did no preapprove of as he did not want the embarrassment of having to veto bills they passed so they pushed through the "majority of majority" rule which meant the only bipartisan bills that can pass are the ones approved by leadership.

The problem with that is that it is gives credence to the theory that the establishment gets whatever they want regardless of the will of the individual representatives. It is no surprise then that they eventually decided to rebel in the ways they have since 2010 because they dont actually have power to pass stuff they want because leadership wont give floor votes on this.

Well, I'm glad you agree with me on the cause of our problems.  What the Supreme Court just did is only the logical consequence of accruing so much power in the office of the Presidency at the expense of Congress over the course of decades, but only became acute within the past eight years.  Trump is arguably our Caligula, exposing to the open air what has been apparent behind closed doors.  Presidential democracy can only persist so long as norms are observed, most particularly the balance of power between the three equal branches of government.  When they are flouted with impunity, it is only a short hop and skip to an electoral monarchy -which is where we are now.  The President is now a King in all but name.    

[Yelnoc]

Absolutely, I have not a single doubt that he will try. And the majority of Republicans will support changing the Constitution to allow him to.

Donald Trump poses a graver threat to the Constitution, to democracy, and to our country's institutions than any other individual in all of U.S. history.

A majority of Republicans is likely a quarter of congress at best.

So Republicans in Congress will suddenly grow a spine and not bend to the whims of their rabid cult base?
They didn't do that after the 2020 election or after Jan. 6 even though the vast majority of Republican Congressmembers believed that was awful and Trump was lying. They still kissed his ring.

Part of it is not wanting to lose their jobs. The other part is actual fear for their safety and that of their families. Because we all know damn well that there will be some Trumpists sending credible death threats their way if they don't go along with it, as well as actual assassination attempts likely occurring.

Changing the constitution requires 2/3 of both chambers of congress and there’s no chance of the GOP having nearly that much in either chamber by 2028.

But calling for a second constitutional.convention is within the realm of possibility IF the GOP made pushing for one it's sole priority. That would require very favorable midterm results of course.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

SCOTUS keeps saying don't pack the Crt now this proves that we should Crt pack. It's doubtful but never underestimate Trump or Biden

[Reactionary Libertarian]

No, absolutely not.

On the off chance that he did, SCOTUS would shoot that down.

In the fantasy world where they don’t, he would still have to win reëlection.

Which he certainly would NOT. People would be furious. Bloomberg barely skated into his 3rd term in NYC after getting the rules changed because it p***ed people off. You think people would just accept it if Trump tried?

[BlueSwan]

Changing the constitution requires 2/3 of both chambers of congress and there’s no chance of the GOP having nearly that much in either chamber by 2028.

It's not so much about changing the coonstitution as it is about simply ignoring it. The US is heading towards right wing authoritarianism, make no mistake about it.

[HisGrace]

People here really need to touch some grass. Life isn’t a Star Wars movie. Trump isn’t Palpatine.

Yeah I know, he's Donald Trump and most the stuff being described here is completely within his established pattern of behavior.

[Tekken_Guy]

Changing the constitution requires 2/3 of both chambers of congress and there’s no chance of the GOP having nearly that much in either chamber by 2028.

It's not so much about changing the coonstitution as it is about simply ignoring it. The US is heading towards right wing authoritarianism, make no mistake about it.

OK, how is he going to force his way onto every ballot in the country? Or win elections in swing states that are mostly controlled by Democrats?

[BlueSwan]

Changing the constitution requires 2/3 of both chambers of congress and there’s no chance of the GOP having nearly that much in either chamber by 2028.

It's not so much about changing the coonstitution as it is about simply ignoring it. The US is heading towards right wing authoritarianism, make no mistake about it.

OK, how is he going to force his way onto every ballot in the country? Or win elections in swing states that are mostly controlled by Democrats?

If he ignores the constitution and uses his "constitutional powers" as commander in chief of the greatest military in history, he can do whatever he wants, just like every other fascist leader there ever was. Some of you people are acting like you've never heard of de facto dictators in sham pseudo-democracies before. Russia, for instance, is officially a democracy with a theoretically democratic constitution, in case you didn't know.

[HisGrace]

Changing the constitution requires 2/3 of both chambers of congress and there’s no chance of the GOP having nearly that much in either chamber by 2028.

It's not so much about changing the coonstitution as it is about simply ignoring it. The US is heading towards right wing authoritarianism, make no mistake about it.

OK, how is he going to force his way onto every ballot in the country? Or win elections in swing states that are mostly controlled by Democrats?

If he ignores the constitution and uses his "constitutional powers" as commander in chief of the greatest military in history, he can do whatever he wants, just like every other fascist leader there ever was. Some of you people are acting like you've never heard of de facto dictators in sham pseudo-democracies before. Russia, for instance, is officially a democracy with a theoretically democratic constitution, in case you didn't know.

Right, like if the president wants to keep the entire country under military occupation and impose martial law he can 100% do that with this ruling because he's commander in chief. If the only defense is "that probably won't happen" then it's a bad ruling, the law should actively prevent things like that from happening, we shouldn't just have to hope no one tries it.

[Convicted Felon Donald Trump]

Why is this such a hard concept for some people?

It’s like they don’t know who Trump is.