Tajikistan bans the hijab

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https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1803810878430572652

[Person Man]

How is that supposed to work?

[Reaganfan Democrat]

Hipster Islam?

[ingemann]

How is that supposed to work?

What do you mean, it’s pretty obvious how it will work.

[Zinneke]

How is that supposed to work?

What do you mean, it’s pretty obvious how it will work.

Never been to ex-Soviet countries where the grandma is the most devout Christian yet wears a shawl? It's actually pretty hard a law to implement.

[ingemann]

How is that supposed to work?

What do you mean, it’s pretty obvious how it will work.

Never been to ex-Soviet countries where the grandma is the most devout Christian yet wears a shawl? It's actually pretty hard a law to implement.

Not really, it’s only hard to implement if you care about bad PR.

[Zinneke]

How is that supposed to work?

What do you mean, it’s pretty obvious how it will work.

Never been to ex-Soviet countries where the grandma is the most devout Christian yet wears a shawl? It's actually pretty hard a law to implement.

Not really, it’s only hard to implement if you care about bad PR.

You seriously think a hijab ban is easy to implement when it's basically a shawl? Any Muslim woman can just say she is wearing a standard shawl.

In any case, do you think European countries should follow? Genuine question.

[Horus]

Gorgeous backdrop, and I normally don't care for new age Rococo. Very White Lotusish.

[ingemann]

How is that supposed to work?

What do you mean, it’s pretty obvious how it will work.

Never been to ex-Soviet countries where the grandma is the most devout Christian yet wears a shawl? It's actually pretty hard a law to implement.

Not really, it’s only hard to implement if you care about bad PR.

You seriously think a hijab ban is easy to implement when it's basically a shawl? Any Muslim woman can just say she is wearing a standard shawl.

In any case, do you think European countries should follow? Genuine question.

1: I think that government thugs in a former Soviet republic would deal with that easily, they would just implement it randomly and unjustly.


2: Dear God, no it’s a terrible idea.

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How is that supposed to work?

What do you mean, it’s pretty obvious how it will work.

Never been to ex-Soviet countries where the grandma is the most devout Christian yet wears a shawl? It's actually pretty hard a law to implement.

Not really, it’s only hard to implement if you care about bad PR.

The issue I feel is it asking for Erdogan style/Iran-pre-revolution rural resentment. Classic urban liberal issue of clamping down on backward peasants and being surprised when they don't like it.

[CumbrianLefty]

Actually banning the hijab is arguably no better than making it mandatory. And for the hard of learning it is *not* the same as the burqa or similar (which there is an at least stronger case against)

[Kamala's side hoe]

How is that supposed to work?

What do you mean, it’s pretty obvious how it will work.

Never been to ex-Soviet countries where the grandma is the most devout Christian yet wears a shawl? It's actually pretty hard a law to implement.

Not really, it’s only hard to implement if you care about bad PR.

The issue I feel is it asking for Erdogan style/Iran-pre-revolution rural resentment. Classic urban liberal issue of clamping down on backward peasants and being surprised when they don't like it.

With Tajikistan there’s a Soviet-era precedent for top-down forced secularism. While we’re going for comparisons with other non-Arab Muslim countries, I wonder if this couls strengthen the status of “pluralist/traditionalist” Islam relative to “modernist/fundamentalist” Islam in the country.

[crals]

How is that supposed to work?

What do you mean, it’s pretty obvious how it will work.

Never been to ex-Soviet countries where the grandma is the most devout Christian yet wears a shawl? It's actually pretty hard a law to implement.

Not really, it’s only hard to implement if you care about bad PR.

The issue I feel is it asking for Erdogan style/Iran-pre-revolution rural resentment. Classic urban liberal issue of clamping down on backward peasants and being surprised when they don't like it.

There might be a different dynamic at play in Tajikistan. I believe in some Muslim countries peasants are actually more secular than Gulf-influenced urban folks.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Eid celebrations?!

[ingemann]

Eid celebrations?!

Public ones.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Eid celebrations?!

Public ones.

Yes, I know. It still strikes me as bizarre. Cromwell banning Christmas etc. etc.

[Battista Minola 1616]

This appears to be part of a general trend of imposing "traditional national values" and banning all sorts of things that are considered alien to Tajikistan on part of Emomali Rahmon, done in the typical style of slightly f---ing insane Central Asian dictators. That includes an awful lot of public expressions of Islam, but not just (this article mentions a clampdown on "Western-style miniskirts" right after saying that the hijab had already been unofficially banned for a long while; compare also Rahmon's own name change from Rahmonov - dropping the Russian ending "-ov" - which culminated in a law banning Russian name endings for newborns). All I can add is that at least the guy is a bit more normal than his Turkmen counterparts.

[Pres Mike]

Didn't the shah tried this in Iran? One could argue his policies on forced westernization led to the 1979 revolution.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Spoke to my Kurdish mechanic about this issue in Tajikistan.

He has an accent where he literally pronounces the word "headjob".

So he says "As a Muslim, your heart must be pure, headjob or no headjob."

He then said "Why you laugh?"

[CumbrianLefty]

Didn't the shah tried this in Iran? One could argue his policies on forced westernization led to the 1979 revolution.

Yes, but there were probably things that were worse than this in causing the backlash they did.

[All Along The Watchtower]

How is that supposed to work?

What do you mean, it’s pretty obvious how it will work.

Never been to ex-Soviet countries where the grandma is the most devout Christian yet wears a shawl? It's actually pretty hard a law to implement.

Not really, it’s only hard to implement if you care about bad PR.

The issue I feel is it asking for Erdogan style/Iran-pre-revolution rural resentment. Classic urban liberal issue of clamping down on backward peasants and being surprised when they don't like it.

There might be a different dynamic at play in Tajikistan. I believe in some Muslim countries peasants are actually more secular than Gulf-influenced urban folks.

Small-c conservative traditional “secular” peasants vs. reactionary modernist urban Salafis.

[CumbrianLefty]

Islamism is a very "modern" movement, for all its appeals to tradition.

[ingemann]

Islamism is a very "modern" movement, for all its appeals to tradition.

Depend on the version, Wahhabism have been around since the 18th century.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Would it be fair to say that Tajikistan having been part of the Soviet Union for most of living memory is a major reason why the dynamic might be a bit more URBAN EXTREMIST SCAMMING HOUSE OF SAUD vs. relatively anticlerical countryside?

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Somehow they got a worse Freedom House rating than their neighbors of Taliban Afghanistan.