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« on: June 16, 2024, 09:16:41 PM »



Some of the responses will be predictable. But many people are asking questions.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2024, 10:49:54 PM »

My bigger question is why is the left so bad when it comes to the social media game - you don't see equivalent accounts like End Wokeness on the left in anywhere near the same magnitude.
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2024, 11:25:38 PM »

Sharks, electrocution, windmills, Bing Bang Bong Bang.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2024, 11:29:15 PM »

My bigger question is why is the left so bad when it comes to the social media game - you don't see equivalent accounts like End Wokeness on the left in anywhere near the same magnitude.

A lot probably has to do with the more factional, big-tent nature of the Democratic Party, and it being the only default vehicle for the left in the USA. It's the party's biggest asset and weakness at the same time.

Using Gaza as an example, it's easy to be a Republican: just be pro-Israel. If you're a Democrat you have to juggle significant both pro- and anti-Zionist sentiments.
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2024, 11:38:08 PM »

My bigger question is why is the left so bad when it comes to the social media game - you don't see equivalent accounts like End Wokeness on the left in anywhere near the same magnitude.

A lot probably has to do with the more factional, big-tent nature of the Democratic Party, and it being the only default vehicle for the left in the USA. It's the party's biggest asset and weakness at the same time.

Using Gaza as an example, it's easy to be a Republican: just be pro-Israel. If you're a Democrat you have to juggle significant both pro- and anti-Zionist sentiments.
tbf on social media there's a significant amount of anti-Israel Republicans
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2024, 11:44:42 PM »

My bigger question is why is the left so bad when it comes to the social media game - you don't see equivalent accounts like End Wokeness on the left in anywhere near the same magnitude.

A lot probably has to do with the more factional, big-tent nature of the Democratic Party, and it being the only default vehicle for the left in the USA. It's the party's biggest asset and weakness at the same time.

Using Gaza as an example, it's easy to be a Republican: just be pro-Israel. If you're a Democrat you have to juggle significant both pro- and anti-Zionist sentiments.
tbf on social media there's a significant amount of anti-Israel Republicans
Which don’t exist in reality
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2024, 11:58:25 PM »

Literally 100% of the Tweets like this turn out to be deceptively edited or clipped, or just falsely describing what happened.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2024, 12:00:13 AM »

My bigger question is why is the left so bad when it comes to the social media game - you don't see equivalent accounts like End Wokeness on the left in anywhere near the same magnitude.

A lot probably has to do with the more factional, big-tent nature of the Democratic Party, and it being the only default vehicle for the left in the USA. It's the party's biggest asset and weakness at the same time.

Using Gaza as an example, it's easy to be a Republican: just be pro-Israel. If you're a Democrat you have to juggle significant both pro- and anti-Zionist sentiments.
tbf on social media there's a significant amount of anti-Israel Republicans
Which don’t exist in reality
https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/2/27/voters-support-the-us-calling-for-permanent-ceasefire-in-gaza-and-conditioning-military-aid-to-israel

56% of Republicans support a ceasefire
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2024, 01:13:00 AM »

The Lincoln Project has 1,2M followers, not that bad I suppose.
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2024, 01:27:22 AM »

this kind of publicity is not good for Biden. It just builds up the general electorate’s opinion that he is just too frail and old for another term. I’ve said this before and will stick to the notion that Trump is not really gaining much but it is Biden who is losing much that’s why we have a toss-up/learn R race we have today. people here in atlas may argue that Biden is not really having a cognitive decline, but let’s be honest, to an average voter who watches TV and sees this on social media they would see this as a huge liabilty which will make them hold their noses and vote for Trump.
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2024, 01:39:23 AM »

this kind of publicity is not good for Biden. It just builds up the general electorate’s opinion that he is just too frail and old for another term. I’ve said this before and will stick to the notion that Trump is not really gaining much but it is Biden who is losing much that’s why we have a toss-up/learn R race we have today. people here in atlas may argue that Biden is not really having a cognitive decline, but let’s be honest, to an average voter who watches TV and sees this on social media they would see this as a huge liabilty which will make them hold their noses and vote for Trump.

Biden could easily put this issue to bed by taking a cognitive test and releasing the results publicly, and then demanding Trump do the same. This would, if orchestrated properly, greatly reduce the perception that he is not fit cognitively, and would put Trump on the defensive of putting up or shutting up on this issue.

Then the narrative shifts from "Biden is frail" to "Why won't Trump release the results of his test? What is he hiding"?

Biden could also take the drug test Trump is demanding, release those results, then demand Trump do the same. Trump would refuse as he is hopped up my guess on Xanax or similar pills. Biden may be on antidepressants but there is no shame in that today, and if such were revealed it might even garner him sympathy if spun the right way. No parent should bury a child, after all.

You could paint a picture very easily of a man struggling with an emotional, not cognitive issue, and yet still soldiering on in service to his country - that is admirable. That's Kennedy or Lincolnesque, both of whom struggled and suffered daily yet led confidently.

That Biden refuses to take any cognitive test or release any drug result, should say something.
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2024, 01:51:33 AM »

this kind of publicity is not good for Biden. It just builds up the general electorate’s opinion that he is just too frail and old for another term. I’ve said this before and will stick to the notion that Trump is not really gaining much but it is Biden who is losing much that’s why we have a toss-up/learn R race we have today. people here in atlas may argue that Biden is not really having a cognitive decline, but let’s be honest, to an average voter who watches TV and sees this on social media they would see this as a huge liabilty which will make them hold their noses and vote for Trump.

Biden could easily put this issue to bed by taking a cognitive test and releasing the results publicly, and then demanding Trump do the same. This would, if orchestrated properly, greatly reduce the perception that he is not fit cognitively, and would put Trump on the defensive of putting up or shutting up on this issue.

Then the narrative shifts from "Biden is frail" to "Why won't Trump release the results of his test? What is he hiding"?

Biden could also take the drug test Trump is demanding, release those results, then demand Trump do the same. Trump would refuse as he is hopped up my guess on Xanax or similar pills. Biden may be on antidepressants but there is no shame in that today, and if such were revealed it might even garner him sympathy if spun the right way. No parent should bury a child, after all.

You could paint a picture very easily of a man struggling with an emotional, not cognitive issue, and yet still soldiering on in service to his country - that is admirable. That's Kennedy or Lincolnesque, both of whom struggled and suffered daily yet led confidently.

That Biden refuses to take any cognitive test or release any drug result, should say something.

frankly, that wouldnt mean anything. people mostly believe what they see, especially the less-informed voters. democrats are wondering why Biden has low approvals with apparently good economy, robust job reports and acceptable inflation rates without talking about the real elephant in the room which is his age. that’s Biden’s real kryptonite in this election.
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2024, 02:14:06 AM »

I normally criticize Biden, but I think Obama was in the wrong here. It looks like Biden wanted to enjoy the crowd for a little longer, but Obama grabbed and walked him off earlier and embarrassed him.
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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2024, 03:49:45 AM »

My bigger question is why is the left so bad when it comes to the social media game - you don't see equivalent accounts like End Wokeness on the left in anywhere near the same magnitude.

Because 99.9999% of the people who like anything from End Wokeness twitter handle are far right MAGA supporters. And alot of them don't live in the US anyway.

Democrat supporters have been panicking over 'nothing burgers' on this website since 2016.

Relax
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2024, 08:16:14 AM »

My bigger question is why is the left so bad when it comes to the social media game - you don't see equivalent accounts like End Wokeness on the left in anywhere near the same magnitude.
You don't realize that people really want to end wokeness even if they dislike Trump?
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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2024, 08:18:46 AM »

I normally criticize Biden, but I think Obama was in the wrong here. It looks like Biden wanted to enjoy the crowd for a little longer, but Obama grabbed and walked him off earlier and embarrassed him.

This is pretty much what happened; the actual video shows that Biden was trying to bask in the crowd/applause for longer, and Obama then I guess wanted them all to leave the stage.

The right is truly getting desperate with this stuff though.
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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2024, 08:23:03 AM »

For the first 5 seconds of the clip (until Obama grabs Biden) ... Biden honestly looks like a frozen statue. It's similar to the other clip where everyone is dancing and clapping while Biden is standing there smiling in abeyance (https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=595593.0)

he's been in politics for so long. He knows, or should know, how to look and act in front of the lights and cameras. What is going on with him

Ya'll trying to blame Obama for grabbing him. If Obama hadn't grabbed him, he would have stood there like a statue for 30 seconds and  look even worse
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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2024, 08:52:34 AM »

For the first 5 seconds of the clip (until Obama grabs Biden) ... Biden honestly looks like a frozen statue. It's similar to the other clip where everyone is dancing and clapping while Biden is standing there smiling in abeyance (https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=595593.0)

he's been in politics for so long. He knows, or should know, how to look and act in front of the lights and cameras. What is going on with him

Ya'll trying to blame Obama for grabbing him. If Obama hadn't grabbed him, he would have stood there like a statue for 30 seconds and  look even worse

You do realize there is such a thing as standing and accepting praise from your audience right? Republicans are really getting outlandish with trying to find some issue in every little thing at this point. Almost makes you wonder why they're so desperate to push all of this if Trump is doing so well!
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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2024, 08:56:27 AM »

Biden just seems to smile into the crowd, and immediately reacts when Obama touches him. Tbh, headlines and framings like this are tiresome.
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2024, 08:59:06 AM »
« Edited: June 17, 2024, 09:07:18 AM by wbrocks67 »

My bigger question is why is the left so bad when it comes to the social media game - you don't see equivalent accounts like End Wokeness on the left in anywhere near the same magnitude.

It's because the right wing just has the better apparatus unfortunately. People bemoan the 'liberal media' but it's quite the opposite. Right wing forces have their tentacles in so many outlets - NY Post, Sinclair Media (which owns a ton of local stations), FOX obviously, Newsmax, OANN, and then all of the right wing influencers and their X accounts, which are also driven now by blue checks and Elon's takeover of Twitter. Right wing forces also literally do not care about facts whatsoever.

Left-minded people tend to care more about facts and reality, most of the right wing people who operate in these media areas don't.

Not just all that, but also traditional news sources also tend to take a lot of cues from right wing media. It's why you see shows like Today, GMA, etc., a lot of times take cues from whatever "scandals" Fox is pushing. It's also part of the reason why the immigration debate turned to "CRISIS AT THE BORDER!" headlines on those shows. Those headlines are taken right from Right wing narratives.
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2024, 09:03:31 AM »

Probably so. As is Trump.
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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2024, 09:05:32 AM »

My bigger question is why is the left so bad when it comes to the social media game - you don't see equivalent accounts like End Wokeness on the left in anywhere near the same magnitude.

You used to have accounts like “Brooklyn Dad” or whatever his name was, but I assume the DNC stopped paying them.
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2024, 09:10:20 AM »

Looks like he got caught up in the moment.
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2024, 09:14:55 AM »

this kind of publicity is not good for Biden. It just builds up the general electorate’s opinion that he is just too frail and old for another term. I’ve said this before and will stick to the notion that Trump is not really gaining much but it is Biden who is losing much that’s why we have a toss-up/learn R race we have today. people here in atlas may argue that Biden is not really having a cognitive decline, but let’s be honest, to an average voter who watches TV and sees this on social media they would see this as a huge liabilty which will make them hold their noses and vote for Trump.

If the average voter is persuaded to vote for convicted felon, rapist, fraud, and traitor Donald Trump by a 25-second clip like this (or even a series of them), then the outcome of the election is irrelevant because the United States is already a dead country walking. I fear that may be the case, but if it does come to pass, the result is not a decision made at a fork in the path, but a revelation that we were already on our way to hell, we just didn't want to admit it.
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2024, 09:21:16 AM »

You do realize there is such a thing as standing and accepting praise from your audience right? Republicans are really getting outlandish with trying to find some issue in every little thing at this point. Almost makes you wonder why they're so desperate to push all of this if Trump is doing so well!

When DeSantis bobbled his head when he spoke, did you say, "You do realize there is such a thing as being animated and lively when you talk, right?"

There's a way to look and act in front of the cameras when you're in politics. So Biden is supposedly trying to bask in the audience's applause and rapture. How about waving, looking around at the whole audience instead of one fixed spot, nodding, pointing at the most enthuiastic people etc. The way he's just standing like a frozen statue looks awkward and strange. As we've seen with candidates like DeSantis, Jeb, and Bloomberg, awkwardness can do a lot of damage
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