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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2024, 02:32:54 PM »
« edited: May 26, 2024, 03:24:22 PM by wnwnwn »

She is for DSA, not for the DNC....

Iīm  surprised why AIPAC hasnīt recruited and funded any black democrat to primary her.

She has a challenger, a local educator named Royce Kinniebrew, but AIPAC and DMFI only get off the fence against incumbents when they're convinced they can win. Watch Omar's race first.

Is he registered?
Iīm not sure about that.
If he is, maybe there is a posibility of primarying Tlaib. MI-12's democrat bloc is majority black....
I would laught if AIPAC spends a cent in Dolan, throught. Only edgy online conservatives could think that a white carpetbagger conservadem can win a Dem primary were the voters to win over are Bronx latinos (Astoria is AOC's bread and butter).
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« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2024, 03:00:19 PM »

Foreign policy is very thermostatic, an attack on Israel will increase support among people of all ages (of course overall support will be highest among oldest voters) for Israel while the videos of Gaza being bombed hurt Israel's support. Support for the right of Israel to exist at least in its 1967 borders is very high. Rashida wants the country eliminated.

Left-leaning people need to realize that the squad just does not like the American system of government and prefers arbitrary leftist rulers like Cuba, North Korea and China. Trump will probably deport a lot of foreign students from the Mideast and China and despite the left being up in arms, 68% of the public will not care. A lot of average Americans think the left are worse bullies than the MAGA right these days.
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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2024, 03:02:53 PM »

Foreign policy is very thermostatic, an attack on Israel will increase support among people of all ages (of course overall support will be highest among oldest voters) for Israel while the videos of Gaza being bombed hurt Israel's support. Support for the right of Israel to exist at least in its 1967 borders is very high. Rashida wants the country eliminated.

Left-leaning people need to realize that the squad just does not like the American system of government and prefers arbitrary leftist rulers like Cuba, North Korea and China. Trump will probably deport a lot of foreign students from the Mideast and China and despite the left being up in arms, 68% of the public will not care. A lot of average Americans think the left are worse bullies than the MAGA right these days.
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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2024, 03:10:02 PM »

What's the American equivalent of withdrawing the whip? Is there one? It's been well over a decade since I've bothered with Congressional procedure, so I've forgotten a lot of the little technicalities. In most countries there would be no need to ask, but Americans are so odd about anything to do with parties and groups.

It’s simply not available as congressional nominees are determined by primaries .

That's a candidate selection issue which is different. I meant expelling or suspending from the caucus, as this would definitely cross the threshold for that literally anywhere else.

Lieberman lost his primary AND endorsed McCain and yet was never expelled from the caucus.
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« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2024, 03:17:05 PM »

When will her primary take place? Does she have a serious challenger?

No, the primary electorate in her district probably has a majority positive opinion of Hamas, she’s going to win easily unfortunately.

She could lose, but it would require someone running whom the Detroit AA political establishment was willing to go all in on supporting.  There is not one running this year.
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« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2024, 03:20:59 PM »

She is for DSA, not for the DNC....

Iīm  surprised why AIPAC hasnīt recruited and funded any black democrat to primary her.

Supporting genocide of Palestinians isn't a winning issue in the Democratic primary.

Even AIPAC knows that.

The ads that AIPAC runs aren't about Israel.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/17/aipac-campaign-ads-israel-00158567
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« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2024, 03:25:53 PM »



Good. The more people hear this from the likes of Tlaib the more moderate voters will not associate Biden with this wing of the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2024, 03:31:29 PM »



Good. The more people hear this from the likes of Tlaib the more moderate voters will not associate Biden with this wing of the Democratic Party.
This won't help, all this will give is that the average voter will see biden as a incompetent idiot that own party is in a ideological civil war with one half hating him, Meanwhile they will see trump and his party almost completely unified behind him and stable, might not be true but that will what voters will see.
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« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2024, 03:45:22 PM »

She is for DSA, not for the DNC....

Iīm  surprised why AIPAC hasnīt recruited and funded any black democrat to primary her.

Supporting genocide of Palestinians isn't a winning issue in the Democratic primary.

Even AIPAC knows that.

The ads that AIPAC runs aren't about Israel.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/17/aipac-campaign-ads-israel-00158567


AIPAC support pro Israel candidates. These candidates usually also have other strenghs and their opposition usually also have other weakneses.

Well, House members are supposed to representate their district, be the voice of them and
their interest to the country.
Tlaib kind of does that by representive Dearborn interests, but there are more areas in the district. Inkster, west Detroit, Southfield, etc. Her district is 45% black accoding to DRA.
Now, Tlaib's stances on domestic issues appealing to a good part of the black and white democrat electorate there. Thatīs her main appeal. The way to confront her on that would be running someonw with "experience getting democrat goals done".
Kinniebrew isnīt a bad fit like Dolan, but he isnīt a strong candidate. He canīt run on any record agaisnt Tlaib. I can see him trying to make himself better know for 2026, and get some ties for the next primary...
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« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2024, 03:49:42 PM »

Absolutely shameful levels of irresponsibility. Undermining the current Democratic nominee should be grounds for severe disciplinary measures by the party (and please note that applies to Manchin sh**tting on Biden on Fox News as well).
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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2024, 03:59:04 PM »



Good. The more people hear this from the likes of Tlaib the more moderate voters will not associate Biden with this wing of the Democratic Party.
This won't help, all this will give is that the average voter will see biden as a incompetent idiot that own party is in a ideological civil war with one half hating him, Meanwhile they will see trump and his party almost completely unified behind him and stable, might not be true but that will what voters will see.

The GOP is not unified behind Trump. He has underperformed in every primary
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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2024, 04:01:57 PM »
« Edited: May 26, 2024, 04:43:09 PM by Rubensim »



Good. The more people hear this from the likes of Tlaib the more moderate voters will not associate Biden with this wing of the Democratic Party.
This won't help, all this will give is that the average voter will see biden as a incompetent idiot that own party is in a ideological civil war with one half hating him, Meanwhile they will see trump and his party almost completely unified behind him and stable, might not be true but that will what voters will see.

The GOP is not unified behind Trump. He has underperformed in every primary
Oh please do you read what i said? It might not be true and well according to you is but still the average joe and well voter will see that most republicans are behind the donald meanwhile Democrats are literally fighting and hating on there own candidate, you can see who there going to vote for.
Oh yeah donald had to fight in the primaries against actual candidates meanwhile joe fought nothing and still somehow lost 600,000 votes in his own primaries.
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« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2024, 04:41:53 PM »



Good. The more people hear this from the likes of Tlaib the more moderate voters will not associate Biden with this wing of the Democratic Party.
This won't help, all this will give is that the average voter will see biden as a incompetent idiot that own party is in a ideological civil war with one half hating him, Meanwhile they will see trump and his party almost completely unified behind him and stable, might not be true but that will what voters will see.

The GOP is not unified behind Trump. He has underperformed in every primary
Oh please do you read what i said? It might not be true and well according to you is but still the average joe and well voter will see that most republicans are behind the donald meanwhile Democrats are literally fighting and hating on there own candidate, you can see who there going to vote for.
Oh yeah donald had to fight in the primaries against actually candidates meanwhile joe fought nothing and still somehow lost 600,000 votes in his own primaries.

Exactly, no one in their right mind thinks Biden is a Maoist revolutionary but at 82 years old is so dependent on his staff that the administration gives into these people all the time. And the left staffers like to gravitate toward bureaucracies (see govt and universities) where their ridiculous views aren't up for re-election.
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« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2024, 04:42:31 PM »

She is for DSA, not for the DNC....

Iīm  surprised why AIPAC hasnīt recruited and funded any black democrat to primary her.

Supporting genocide of Palestinians isn't a winning issue in the Democratic primary.

Even AIPAC knows that.

The ads that AIPAC runs aren't about Israel.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/17/aipac-campaign-ads-israel-00158567


AIPAC support pro Israel candidates. These candidates usually also have other strenghs and their opposition usually also have other weakneses.

Well, House members are supposed to representate their district, be the voice of them and
their interest to the country.

Tlaib kind of does that by representive Dearborn interests, but there are more areas in the district. Inkster, west Detroit, Southfield, etc. Her district is 45% black accoding to DRA.
Now, Tlaib's stances on domestic issues appealing to a good part of the black and white democrat electorate there. Thatīs her main appeal. The way to confront her on that would be running someonw with "experience getting democrat goals done".
Kinniebrew isnīt a bad fit like Dolan, but he isnīt a strong candidate. He canīt run on any record agaisnt Tlaib. I can see him trying to make himself better know for 2026, and get some ties for the next primary...

If across the country, Democrats get to choose between two otherwise identical candidates, but one supports genocide of the Palestinians and the latter opposes genocide of the Palestinians, the former would be blown completely out of the water.
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« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2024, 04:49:38 PM »

Helping Republicans is bad, actually, Rashida. Use your brain.
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« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2024, 04:57:47 PM »

She is for DSA, not for the DNC....

Iīm  surprised why AIPAC hasnīt recruited and funded any black democrat to primary her.

Supporting genocide of Palestinians isn't a winning issue in the Democratic primary.

Even AIPAC knows that.

The ads that AIPAC runs aren't about Israel.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/17/aipac-campaign-ads-israel-00158567


AIPAC support pro Israel candidates. These candidates usually also have other strenghs and their opposition usually also have other weakneses.

Well, House members are supposed to representate their district, be the voice of them and
their interest to the country.

Tlaib kind of does that by representive Dearborn interests, but there are more areas in the district. Inkster, west Detroit, Southfield, etc. Her district is 45% black accoding to DRA.
Now, Tlaib's stances on domestic issues appealing to a good part of the black and white democrat electorate there. Thatīs her main appeal. The way to confront her on that would be running someonw with "experience getting democrat goals done".
Kinniebrew isnīt a bad fit like Dolan, but he isnīt a strong candidate. He canīt run on any record agaisnt Tlaib. I can see him trying to make himself better know for 2026, and get some ties for the next primary...

If across the country, Democrats get to choose between two otherwise identical candidates, but one supports genocide of the Palestinians and the latter opposes genocide of the Palestinians, the former would be blown completely out of the water.

Of course no one who advocates for killing every Palestinian in Gaza would win a Democratic primary anywhere, nor should they.

But if you are looking at a pro-Israel Dem vs. a squad Dem in any district closer than Biden +25, you are going to be a bit disappointed!
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« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2024, 05:15:33 PM »

Losing the Arab vote alone is not going to be enough to cost Biden Michigan. He won it by nearly 3 points in 2020 and the Arab vote probably at most netted him half a point on his statewide margin. They're only 2% of the population of MI, and I bet they're an even smaller share of the electorate since they probably turn out at lower rates than other demographics in the state.

If Michigan is close enough that Arabs can swing the state, Biden's lost ground with other demographics too and has most likely lost the other 5 main swing states.
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« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2024, 05:19:34 PM »

Free the hostages
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« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2024, 05:21:53 PM »

Helping Republicans is bad, actually, Rashida. Use your brain.
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« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2024, 05:37:43 PM »


I am really struggling to get into the mindset of Tlaib and the other people willing to throw the election to Trump in order to “make a principled stance” or “teach Biden a lesson.”

Tlaib was no fan of Trump at all when he was president, and Trump tried to bar her from taking an official trip to Israel. She knows Trump will be no friend to the Palestinian people and will have very little enthusiasm for humanitarian efforts in Gaza. This is not hypothetical; we can all make a very educated assumption based on his actions as president and what he is saying on the campaign trail. Tlaib also knows this.

So if she succeeds in convincing enough progressives to not vote for Biden, which causes Trump to win, what then? Trump will continue to support Israel (almost certainly more unequivocally than Biden) but she will have no leverage at all in the executive branch, and she will probably have even less leverage in the Democratic Party because people will be pointing fingers at her for Biden’s loss.

So knowing all that, how does her strategy help Gaza in the long run? If she gets her way, things will get worse there.

I sort of get the feeling that a lot of these “progressives” who were elected in 2018 and 2020 on the anti-Trump bandwagon only know how to be disrupters on the sidelines, but have no idea how to play ball when they have actual power. AOC has been a notable exception.
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« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2024, 05:39:07 PM »

Tlaib is so anti-semitic that she's dogwhistling an endorsement of the most anti-semitic president of the last 50+ years. Unbelievable.
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« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2024, 05:42:23 PM »


I am really struggling to get into the mindset of Tlaib and the other people willing to throw the election to Trump in order to “make a principled stance” or “teach Biden a lesson.”

Tlaib was no fan of Trump at all when he was president, and Trump tried to bar her from taking an official trip to Israel. She knows Trump will be no friend to the Palestinian people and will have very little enthusiasm for humanitarian efforts in Gaza. This is not hypothetical; we can all make a very educated assumption based on his actions as president and what he is saying on the campaign trail. Tlaib also knows this.

So if she succeeds in convincing enough progressives to not vote for Biden, which causes Trump to win, what then? Trump will continue to support Israel (almost certainly more unequivocally than Biden) but she will have no leverage at all in the executive branch, and she will probably have even less leverage in the Democratic Party because people will be pointing fingers at her for Biden’s loss.

So knowing all that, how does her strategy help Gaza in the long run? If she gets her way, things will get worse there.
She just a angry idiot angry at the fact that Biden didn't become a river from the sea Palestinian supporter (Which would have caused joe to have been impeached in seconds after saying that) and so is basically trying to get Joe to lose the election knowing what a second term of donnie would do to democrats but she just doesn't care.

So a personal thank you to tlaib for helping us republicans.
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« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2024, 05:45:50 PM »

She is for DSA, not for the DNC....

Iīm  surprised why AIPAC hasnīt recruited and funded any black democrat to primary her.

Supporting genocide of Palestinians isn't a winning issue in the Democratic primary.

Even AIPAC knows that.

The ads that AIPAC runs aren't about Israel.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/17/aipac-campaign-ads-israel-00158567


AIPAC support pro Israel candidates. These candidates usually also have other strenghs and their opposition usually also have other weakneses.

Well, House members are supposed to representate their district, be the voice of them and
their interest to the country.

Tlaib kind of does that by representive Dearborn interests, but there are more areas in the district. Inkster, west Detroit, Southfield, etc. Her district is 45% black accoding to DRA.
Now, Tlaib's stances on domestic issues appealing to a good part of the black and white democrat electorate there. Thatīs her main appeal. The way to confront her on that would be running someonw with "experience getting democrat goals done".
Kinniebrew isnīt a bad fit like Dolan, but he isnīt a strong candidate. He canīt run on any record agaisnt Tlaib. I can see him trying to make himself better know for 2026, and get some ties for the next primary...

If across the country, Democrats get to choose between two otherwise identical candidates, but one supports genocide of the Palestinians and the latter opposes genocide of the Palestinians, the former would be blown completely out of the water.

Of course no one who advocates for killing every Palestinian in Gaza would win a Democratic primary anywhere, nor should they.

But if you are looking at a pro-Israel Dem vs. a squad Dem in any district closer than Biden +25, you are going to be a bit disappointed!

You argument is a red herring.

Genocide doesn't require "killing every Palestinian in Gaza".
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« Reply #48 on: May 26, 2024, 05:51:38 PM »

Losing the Arab vote alone is not going to be enough to cost Biden Michigan. He won it by nearly 3 points in 2020 and the Arab vote probably at most netted him half a point on his statewide margin. They're only 2% of the population of MI, and I bet they're an even smaller share of the electorate since they probably turn out at lower rates than other demographics in the state.

If Michigan is close enough that Arabs can swing the state, Biden's lost ground with other demographics too and has most likely lost the other 5 main swing states.

Of cause Biden "lost ground with other demographics too".

You don't have to be Arab to be disguised with Biden's complicity in genocide of the Palestinians.
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« Reply #49 on: May 26, 2024, 06:14:59 PM »

Losing the Arab vote alone is not going to be enough to cost Biden Michigan. He won it by nearly 3 points in 2020 and the Arab vote probably at most netted him half a point on his statewide margin. They're only 2% of the population of MI, and I bet they're an even smaller share of the electorate since they probably turn out at lower rates than other demographics in the state.

If Michigan is close enough that Arabs can swing the state, Biden's lost ground with other demographics too and has most likely lost the other 5 main swing states.

Of cause Biden "lost ground with other demographics too".

You don't have to be Arab to be disguised with Biden's complicity in genocide of the Palestinians.

Outside of Arabs though his losses with these demographics won't be concentrated to Michigan.
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