It feels like neither candidate really has a vision for a second term

[Obama24]

Technically, both Trump and Biden are running for their second term.

But, I don't feel like there's been any genuine policy ideas or a cohesive vision for the second term offered by either. Biden suggested taxing millions heavily but that's one piece of policy; it's not a vision. Trump has talked revenge and the border, but that's also not a vision.

Biden's biggest thing seems to be "Vote for me because I'm not Trump and if I win we'll figure out the rest", and Trump's seems to be "The economy is bad under SLEEPY JOE BIDEN and I will fix it"...But with no specifics.

It just feels like neither is making a particular case for what they actually want to achieve in a second term outside of "I'm not the other guy."

[7,052,770]

When one candidate not only wants to end American democracy, but literally tried it last time and had the support of his entire party in doing so, "I'm not him" is a pretty powerful argument.

Anyone who votes for Trump doesn't believe in the concept of "America" like I do, and like I used to think we all did.

[Obama24]

When one candidate not only wants to end American democracy, but literally tried it last time and had the support of his entire party in doing so, "I'm not him" is a pretty powerful argument.

Anyone who votes for Trump doesn't believe in the concept of "America" like I do, and like I used to think we all did.

This is an appeal to an emotion, and a deflection. What vision is there in either candidate's bid for a second term?

[President Johnson]

"Feels like" doesn't necessarily mean it's the case. Obviously Trump's "vision" is primary driven by anger, revenge, resentments and escaping his legal trouble.

Biden definitely has a detailed plan and unfinished business on his plate. If Democrats were to win even narrow majorities in congress again, the president would again be able to pass sweepting legislation on climate, reproductive rights, jobs and wages, maybe even immigration and a public option. Not to mention Biden's main theme is the preservation of the rule of law at home and democracy aboard (like support for Ukraine against Putin's tyranny). But I'm afraid just like in 2020 the national and international media will again pretend this program doesn't exist and Biden's only offer is the status-quo and that he's not Trump.

[7,052,770]

When one candidate not only wants to end American democracy, but literally tried it last time and had the support of his entire party in doing so, "I'm not him" is a pretty powerful argument.

Anyone who votes for Trump doesn't believe in the concept of "America" like I do, and like I used to think we all did.

This is an appeal to an emotion, and a deflection. What vision is there in either candidate's bid for a second term?

It's literally neither. It's a fact that Trump tried to overturn the election, first with phony lawsuits and then with violence.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

So, basically, you believe that tax cuts are better for the economy than giving it in Entitlements, if Govt doesnt give entitlement they are gonna spend it on tax cuts. In 2001 and 2017 instead of investing that money in SSA trust fund which is going broke Bush W and Trump spent it in tax cuts

Then in 2002/2008/20 we were left broke having gone into Recession with those tax cuts, of course Biden has a vision don't waste money on tax cuts

[Obama24]

"Feels like" doesn't necessarily mean it's the case. Obviously Trump's "vision" is primary driven by anger, revenge, resentments and escaping his legal trouble.

Biden definitely has a detailed plan and unfinished business on his plate. If Democrats were to win even narrow majorities in congress again, the president would again be able to pass sweepting legislation on climate, reproductive rights, jobs and wages, maybe even immigration and a public option. Not to mention Biden's main theme is the preservation of the rule of law at home and democracy aboard (like support for Ukraine against Putin's tyranny). But I'm afraid just like in 2020 the national and international media will again pretend this program doesn't exist and Biden's only offer is the status-quo and that he's not Trump.

Sources for the bolded? Specifically, what set of policies has Biden himself or official administration sources outlined that would meet these goals if he is given a second term?

If you can give me something tangible that would indicate all of the above has been outlined as second term policy goals, I'll give Biden my vote.

As it stands, those all sound like wishes. I don't think even FDR could secure sweeping legislation on climate, reproductive rights, jobs, wages, and a public option. And Biden doesn't essentially have control of the narrative of the country in the way FDR did. Maybe with a massive supermajority he could get a narrow version of some of those ideas passed, but this is 2024 with a Republican opposition that can't even pass bills they supposedly agree with. But, I'd like to see sources that state these are actual policy goals if a second term is gotten.

[iceman]

Of course they don’t. Both candidates are just peddling to voters reason why the other should be kept out of office, no hopeful messaging at all. It seems this election is all about bringing back or keep Trump out of the limelight once in for all.

[Obama24]

Of course they don’t. Both candidates are just peddling to voters reason why the other should be kept out of office, no hopeful messaging at all. It seems this election is all about bringing back or keep Trump out of the limelight once in for all.

Yes, it seems, from both angles the election is more a referendum on Donald Trump than anything else which is part of why the thing is so exhausting.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Of course they don’t. Both candidates are just peddling to voters reason why the other should be kept out of office, no hopeful messaging at all. It seems this election is all about bringing back or keep Trump out of the limelight once in for all.

So you think tax cuts for the wealthy is a good policy no it's not, that's your opinion

[Progressive Pessimist]

Oh, Trump has a vision alright. It's one that should startle anyone with a brain cell. And Biden's vision is to prevent that vision for the sake of the country's future.

[Tekken_Guy]

Oh, Trump has a vision alright. It's one that should startle anyone with a brain cell. And Biden's vision is to prevent that vision for the sake of the country's future.

Trump’s petty revenge fantasies are not a vision.

[MABA 2020]

Trump has a vision, it's an apocalyptic one but he has it

[Bernie Derangement Syndrome Haver]

I for one am not even thinking about a vision for a second Biden term. I am solely focused on defeating Trump and stamping out his movement's threats to our democracy and institutions. Like 2020, this is not a policy election for me.

[Tekken_Guy]

Trump has a vision, it's an apocalyptic one but he has it

That barely counts as a real vision. It's just petty revenge.

[KYRockefeller]

I for one am not even thinking about a vision for a second Biden term. I am solely focused on defeating Trump and stamping out his movement's threats to our democracy and institutions. Like 2020, this is not a policy election for me.

Guarantee you if Trump loses this round he'll be back in 2028.

[7,052,770]

I for one am not even thinking about a vision for a second Biden term. I am solely focused on defeating Trump and stamping out his movement's threats to our democracy and institutions. Like 2020, this is not a policy election for me.

Guarantee you if Trump loses this round he'll be back in 2028.

Then we'll have to be vigilant and beat him again.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I for one am not even thinking about a vision for a second Biden term. I am solely focused on defeating Trump and stamping out his movement's threats to our democracy and institutions. Like 2020, this is not a policy election for me.

Guarantee you if Trump loses this round he'll be back in 2028.

Lol the ars need to dump a Trump

[Sumner 1868]

Graying culture warriors don't care what happens in the future so long as The Party wins the next game.

[MABA 2020]

Trump has a vision, it's an apocalyptic one but he has it

That barely counts as a real vision. It's just petty revenge.

Okay for Trump its petty revenge, but there are people in his circle that would very much like to turn the US into a Christian theocracy which Trump will go along with.

[MasterJedi]

Trump has a vision, it's an apocalyptic one but he has it

That barely counts as a real vision. It's just petty revenge.

Petty revenge for the average R, real life ruination for other law abiding citizens.

[MarkD]

If Biden would campaign for some Supreme Court reform, such as one or two ideas he could pluck out of the fourth chapter of the "Final Report" published by the bipartisan commission that he appointed in 2021, I would love it and I would enthusiastically support him this year. I know he doesn't want to "pack" the Court or impose term limits on federal judges, but there were ideas in the fourth chapter of that Report that could be very appealing.

[wbrocks67]

This isn't really true at all- Biden has said on multiple occasions what he'd do in a second term, especially on abortion (Roe returning if he had the votes) and the economy.

[Obama24]

I for one am not even thinking about a vision for a second Biden term. I am solely focused on defeating Trump and stamping out his movement's threats to our democracy and institutions. Like 2020, this is not a policy election for me.

It should be a policy election also. You can ask, "Well, if you defeat Trump, what are you gonna do after." He isn't a King on high, you know.

[Sir Mohamed]

If Biden would campaign for some Supreme Court reform, such as one or two ideas he could pluck out of the fourth chapter of the "Final Report" published by the bipartisan commission that he appointed in 2021, I would love it and I would enthusiastically support him this year. I know he doesn't want to "pack" the Court or impose term limits on federal judges, but there were ideas in the fourth chapter of that Report that could be very appealing.

The idea of SCOTUS reform is pretty much dead unless Dems win at least 53-54 senate seats and nuke the filibuster. That's not realistic. I think Biden should only make promises he has a decent shot of fulfulling. Otherwise it just leaves people even more frustrated and dissatisfied with politics. And that would once again give credibility to candidates like Trump who want to tear down the whole system.