Why does 2019 nostalgia seem stronger than 1990s nostalgia was in 2016?

[Obama24]

Some on this board here have discussed the idea of there being "2019 nostalgia", which might enable a Trump win.

I think there is actually a degree of this out there in the real world, too. I have nostalgia for 2019 but I recgonize that the economy of the Trump era was built by Obama, Trump just rode the wave of it, but your average voter doesn't realize that.

Back in 2016 however, despite a healthy economy, and despite Hillary being the First Lady during the bulk of the 90s, there was no similar nostalgia for the 90s at that time (ironically, there is massive 90s nostalgia now) that could've helped her pull ahead to victory.

My question is, why?

Having 2019 nostalgia now would be like having 2011 nostalgia in 2016 and that certainly wasn't there.

[Trans Rights Are Human Rights]

The plandemic made us reminisce for the 2010s.

[Obama24]

The plandemic made us reminisce for the 2010s.

plandemic?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Lol you are spaming stop making so many threads

[Obama24]

Lol you are spaming stop making so many threads

Sorry, I had a large coffee with 4 sugars and 3 shots of espresso so my mind is racing.

[Trans Rights Are Human Rights]

The plandemic made us reminisce for the 2010s.

plandemic?

Trump and Biden and Xi Jinping worked together to unleash COVID to keep us mentally stuck in the past. That's why we nominated the same two super old guys twice in a row.

[Obama24]

The plandemic made us reminisce for the 2010s.

plandemic?

Trump and Biden and Xi Jinping worked together to unleash COVID to keep us mentally stuck in the past. That's why we nominated the same two super old guys twice in a row.

I hope you're joking.

[Trans Rights Are Human Rights]

The plandemic made us reminisce for the 2010s.

plandemic?

Trump and Biden and Xi Jinping worked together to unleash COVID to keep us mentally stuck in the past. That's why we nominated the same two super old guys twice in a row.

I hope you're joking.

I mean, of course I'm joking, but let me sh**tpost in peace.

[Obama24]

The plandemic made us reminisce for the 2010s.

plandemic?

Trump and Biden and Xi Jinping worked together to unleash COVID to keep us mentally stuck in the past. That's why we nominated the same two super old guys twice in a row.

I hope you're joking.

I mean, of course I'm joking, but let me sh**tpost in peace.

The sad thing though is that there are people who actually believe what you said in jest, hence my query.

[Dan the Roman]

Millenials and Gen X were approaching a crunch point in middle age. Trump/Covid19 froze time. From 2017-2019 fighting Trump took precedence over dealing with the fact that this was it. There was a new world after Trump.

Covid19 meant you also could take a school snow/sick day for 2 years.

Which meant a lot of people went to bed in june 2016 at age 29-36 and woke up in november 2021 age 35-42.

So they associate Biden not with being old himself but when they became old

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Millenials and Gen X were approaching a crunch point in middle age. Trump/Covid19 froze time. From 2017-2019 fighting Trump took precedence over dealing with the fact that this was it. There was a new world after Trump.

Covid19 meant you also could take a school snow/sick day for 2 years.

Which meant a lot of people went to bed in june 2016 at age 29-36 and woke up in november 2021 age 35-42.

So they associate Biden not with being old himself but when they became old

I spoke at a few local high schools a couple of years ago. These sessions were meant to give the kiddos a chance to hear from and ask questions to people in vocations in which they might be interested. 

During the Q&A section at one school, a jock-ish kid raised his hand and loudly said "You're hot! Will you go to prom with me?" It got a laugh, he got pats on the back from his dumb little buddies, and I wasn't bothered by it, but you could tell the principal was NOT happy. 

I was talking to her afterwards and she confided that the present classes were some of the most immature and rowdy she'd ever encountered. 

She ceded that it wasn't entirely their fault.  She said that many kiddos had simply forgotten how to act around adults, especially since they'd missed out on those late-middle to early high school years -- time that's extremely important to maturation and development. 

[MR DARK BRANDON]

People are always nostalgic for the time immediately before them. They where nostalgic about 2010-2015 in 2019.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I know rich whites think that if Trump gets back in, I am talking about wealthy not middle class life will be better if somehow Trump gets back in look what they did in 2016. It's no R makes people feel good

[OSR stands with Israel]

I would say the equivalent to 2019 nostalgia now happened in the mid to late 2000s . In fact I would say Hillary in 2008 really should have had her slogan be : Make America Great Again and everyone would know what that slogan meant and she may have actually won it all lol

[Progressive Pessimist]

Americans' memories are short, and remembering five years ago is easier than remembering twenty back in 2016.

2019 was the year of anticipating Borderlands 3 for me, but I'd rather be living on the other side where I actually own it and can play it.

Nostalgia is one of many emotions that corrupts peoples' sense of logic and practicality.

[Dan the Roman]

Millenials and Gen X were approaching a crunch point in middle age. Trump/Covid19 froze time. From 2017-2019 fighting Trump took precedence over dealing with the fact that this was it. There was a new world after Trump.

Covid19 meant you also could take a school snow/sick day for 2 years.

Which meant a lot of people went to bed in june 2016 at age 29-36 and woke up in november 2021 age 35-42.

So they associate Biden not with being old himself but when they became old

I spoke at a few local high schools a couple of years ago. These sessions were meant to give the kiddos a chance to hear from and ask questions to people in vocations in which they might be interested. 

During the Q&A section at one school, a jock-ish kid raised his hand and loudly said "You're hot! Will you go to prom with me?" It got a laugh, he got pats on the back from his dumb little buddies, and I wasn't bothered by it, but you could tell the principal was NOT happy. 

I was talking to her afterwards and she confided that the present classes were some of the most immature and rowdy she'd ever encountered. 

She ceded that it wasn't entirely their fault.  She said that many kiddos had simply forgotten how to act around adults, especially since they'd missed out on those late-middle to early high school years -- time that's extremely important to maturation and development. 

Trump's greatest appeal is that he freezes time. When Trump is around there is always something more important than your mortgage, your appointments,  your other responsibilities.

People miss that. Not just people who loved him but also many who hated him.

It's why tens of millions fell into a weird depression when it ended.

I mean compare 2021 to 2020. By all metrics 2020 was far worse on covid. Yet 2021 is often far more depressing with fights over schools, vaccines, inflation.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Millenials and Gen X were approaching a crunch point in middle age. Trump/Covid19 froze time. From 2017-2019 fighting Trump took precedence over dealing with the fact that this was it. There was a new world after Trump.

Covid19 meant you also could take a school snow/sick day for 2 years.

Which meant a lot of people went to bed in june 2016 at age 29-36 and woke up in november 2021 age 35-42.

So they associate Biden not with being old himself but when they became old

I spoke at a few local high schools a couple of years ago. These sessions were meant to give the kiddos a chance to hear from and ask questions to people in vocations in which they might be interested. 

During the Q&A section at one school, a jock-ish kid raised his hand and loudly said "You're hot! Will you go to prom with me?" It got a laugh, he got pats on the back from his dumb little buddies, and I wasn't bothered by it, but you could tell the principal was NOT happy. 

You're so cool PQG! Keep bragging about how everyone finds you so attractive

[DPKdebator]

I graduated high school in 2020, and 2019 pretty much feels like the last normal year before everything went all crazy.

[Steve from Lambeth]

People were so busy with 2016 in 2016 that they didn't even stop to think about 1996 - not even culturally. I explained the rest of this in TheMattMan's thread:

2019 was arguably the most revolutionary year since 1975.

We had the School Strike for Climate and major protests in Hong Kong, Chile, and Lebanon. The West sponsored a coup in Bolivia and pulled the rug under Maduro in Venezuela.

All issues female - women's football, women's access to Indian holy sites, femicide, and not to mention the smash-hit book Invisible Women - were in the headlines. Iran bore under huge pressure to allow women to attend football matches, to the point where UEFA urged its members not to play matches against Iranian teams. The BBC went on the warpath against pick-up artists and got scores of their videos taken off YouTube. Theresa May spoke to the plight of Western women. We nearly had an all-female spacewalk in April, then we got one in November.

Letwin and Cooper delayed Brexit again and again and again, and spawned Farage and BoJo, and Change UK. Bury FC went under, and Bolton Wanderers almost did; some people said the government should create an Independent Regulator to prevent similar travesties. Notre Dame burned down and a church in Colombo got shot up, combining to produce the most disastrous Holy Week in living memory.

Black Lives Matter was still a niche social media hashtag, but racist abuse in English football was a huge issue, with the BBC covering every incident, no matter how small. When England thrashed Bulgaria to make EURO 2020, the BBC's headline focused on how the game was marred by racial abuse of black English players.

ISIS was defeated. BTS broke up because they had to do military service in the Republic of Korea, and everybody cried. The Mueller Report fuelled calls for Donald Trump's impeachment, at a time when he was merely hated rather than despised.

There were two Booker Prize winners for the first and still the last time, although some say it was a stitch-up to embellish Margaret Atwood's already hefty CV. People, especially scientists, started thinking that vaping caused popcorn lung. There was a huge heatwave in Europe, outstripping even 2003 and 2006.

Illegal immigration to the UK via lorry was at its peak, with one estimate suggesting that every UK port was letting them in unwittingly - but when 39 Vietnamese migrants died in a lorry in Essex that winter, this route fell out of fashion in favour of small boat crossings, today Rishi Sunak's daemon.

And that's ignoring the other thing that we ended up realising made 2019 special. No wonder people remember it so fondly. If Bill Bryson was living a century from now instead of today, he'd write a book about it.

[DaleCooper]

It isn't. I've not heard of anybody outside of these mythical people Atlas users claim to know who reminisces about 2019, lmao.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Millenials and Gen X were approaching a crunch point in middle age. Trump/Covid19 froze time. From 2017-2019 fighting Trump took precedence over dealing with the fact that this was it. There was a new world after Trump.

Covid19 meant you also could take a school snow/sick day for 2 years.

Which meant a lot of people went to bed in june 2016 at age 29-36 and woke up in november 2021 age 35-42.

So they associate Biden not with being old himself but when they became old

I spoke at a few local high schools a couple of years ago. These sessions were meant to give the kiddos a chance to hear from and ask questions to people in vocations in which they might be interested. 

During the Q&A section at one school, a jock-ish kid raised his hand and loudly said "You're hot! Will you go to prom with me?" It got a laugh, he got pats on the back from his dumb little buddies, and I wasn't bothered by it, but you could tell the principal was NOT happy. 

You're so cool PQG! Keep bragging about how everyone finds you so attractive

Yeahhhhh, bawdy 17 year olds aren't exactly the demographic I'm looking to impress. 

[Burke Bro]

Because- plain and simple, life has gotten a lot harder for a lot of people, particularly low income people, since the pandemic. As America struggles to deal with the enormous amounts of debt it accumulated during that period, and as a major restructuring of the global economy occurs, it’s probably going to be that way for at awhile until real incomes rise significantly and higher inflation/higher interest rates become the new normal.

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

I wonder what happened in the year right after 2019. Something that brought about very rapid and destabilizing change to everyone's life overnight, caused a lot of fear and anxiety, in many cases led to deaths of loved ones, and seems to have correlated with a sharp rise in anti-social behaviour, relentless pessimism and mental health issues. Something that many people were unable to cope with and chose negative ways to cope - substance abuse, excessive social media use, cutting off pre-existing social bonds, spending all day on the internet being drip fed political extremism, porn, and general negativity and toxicity. The kinds of things that just generally make your life worse and turn you into a miserable person, with which you cope by reminiscing about a time when you didn't have these problems.

I think it was the Spanish flu or something?

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

Frankly I'm nostalgic for the pre-pandemic era because smoking weed was less normalized. Call me a conservative prude if you like, personally it's more because I was addicted for three years, and it started with the pandemic. F--k man, imagine being young during a time when pretty much everything was shut down, but there's about five weed stores open on every street corner, and those of us under 30 have basically been propagandized to believe that "it's harmless" and "it's not addictive" and "it's just a plant bro". What possible outcome could that even lead to, other than a shocking increase in addiction? It was legalized in 2018, and I'm not blaming legalization for my own addiction - after all, I wasn't addicted in 2018 or 2019. The addiction began in 2020, as it did for many people. That was my vice, and around this time last year, when I was still smoking daily and couldn't fall asleep sober, yeah I was pretty damn nostalgic of a time when my life wasn't controlled by a chemical compound. Thankfully I've quit cannabis and don't plan on going back.

But that's the thing, I think a lot of people let their lives go down the drain in 2020 and still haven't recovered. So even if the economy is improving, they don't feel it because their lives haven't improved, because many of us struggled to deal with the difficulties of the pandemic and got addicted to unhealthy coping mechanisms that turn you into a pessimistic and miserable sack of s--t. As a result, you'll be nostalgic of a time when you weren't a pessimistic and miserable sack of s--t. This is a social phenomenon that is entirely ignored but I think has a much bigger bearing on the state of society in 2024 than the Biden Infrastructure bill or whatever.

[Wisconsin+17]

Some on this board here have discussed the idea of there being "2019 nostalgia", which might enable a Trump win.

I think there is actually a degree of this out there in the real world, too. I have nostalgia for 2019 but I recgonize that the economy of the Trump era was built by Obama, Trump just rode the wave of it, but your average voter doesn't realize that.

Back in 2016 however, despite a healthy economy, and despite Hillary being the First Lady during the bulk of the 90s, there was no similar nostalgia for the 90s at that time (ironically, there is massive 90s nostalgia now) that could've helped her pull ahead to victory.

My question is, why?

Having 2019 nostalgia now would be like having 2011 nostalgia in 2016 and that certainly wasn't there.

I did the math. Assuming your investments made 5% per year, Millennials that were screwed by 2000 and 2008 finally caught up in 2018 under Trump. 8 years of Obama's Great Recession put us wayyyy behind.

Of course, the pandemic haircut hurt us bigly, but actually less so than the 0.5%, 1% yearly increases under Obama. We shall see how it shakes out over the next while.