Louisiana close to allowing sex offenders to be surgically castrated

[GregTheGreat657]

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Louisiana is close to letting its judges sentence sex offenders to surgical castration, despite concerns that the proposal would likely face a legal challenge over its constitutionality.

Senate Bill 371 by Sen. Regina Barrow, D-Baton Rouge, was approved in the House of Representatives in a 74-24 vote. It needs only the senators’ concurrence in House floor amendments before it’s sent to Gov. Jeff Landry for consideration.

Rep. Delisha Boyd, D-New Orleans, carried Barrow’s bill in the House. She cited recent news reports of a 51-year-old Baton Rouge man arrested for the alleged rape a 12-year-old girl. The suspect was previously arrested in 2007 on a count of aggravated rape of a 5-year-old. His charge would later be reduced to indecent behavior with a juvenile, The Advocate reported.

[soundchaser]

Ironic, considering how much of a prick Landry is.

[TheReckoning]

Based

[GP270watch]

 How do you let a grown man that rapes a 5 year old ever walk the streets again? It's insane how badly sex crimes against children are prosecuted and sentenced.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Yet nothing concerning the women and girls they may have raped who had to have their baby?

[Ferguson97]

Forget chemical castration, a man who rapes two children should be in prison for the rest of his life. There's just absolutely no reason why he should be a free man.

We should always very cautious about giving government power like this, particularly at a time when conservatives are all but outright saying that trans people are ontologically sex offenders. It's happened before. Alan Turing was chemically castrated for being gay.

Is this kind of treatment reversible? This could run into the same problem as the death penalty, where innocent people who are incarcerated can be released, but dead people cannot be brought back to life.

[darklordoftech]

Would this bill mean that women would get surgically castrated for walking around topless and/or that child revenge porn victims would be surgically castrated for commiting child porn against themselves?

[DaleCooper]

Admittedly my initial post was pretty rude, so I've deleted it and will type a list of reasons why this is obviously a bad idea. Anyone whose brain hasn't been fried by QAnon culture should be able to figure these out on his own, but that's not the world we're living in so here it goes.

1. Generally, I think it's best to avoid eugenics in our criminal justice system. I think even more than the death penalty this is not a slippery slope we should go down. Surgical mutilation as a form of punishment can get very out of control. Why not lobotomize repeat violent offenders? Seriously, why not at this point?

2. This is not politically correct to say post-MeToo, but rape and sexual offenses are incredibly easy to lie about. There's a reason why so many lynchings were based on fake accusations of sexual misconduct. Even child sexual abuse is easy to lie about. It is not uncommon for parents to coach their children into making fake abuse allegations against the other parent or potentially a step-parent, and that's not even to mention the "recovered memories" crap which put people behind bars over fake sexual abuse allegations.

3. This encourages suspects to murder victims, accusers, witnesses, and police officers rather than be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. This will be even more true once the death penalty starts coming back for sex offenses.

4. This discourages victims from coming forward. Most victims are victimized by friends or loved ones and many of them will not want to see family members subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. Again, this will be an even bigger problem once the death penalty comes back for sex offenses.

I'm sure there are more, but those are the obvious and most destructive ones. But this whole thing is a virtue signal. This is QAnon paranoia gone mainstream, and a significant portion of the legislature probably knows this is wrong, but they voted for it anyway because they don't want to get accused of being pedos for not supporting the castration bill. This hysteria is going to keep getting worse if someone doesn't stand up to it now.

EDIT: To clarify for the dumb people, my second point is not implying that all or most allegations are fake, I'm just pointing out that a lot of men have been thrown in jail (or worse) over false allegations of sexual crimes.  

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Would this bill mean that women would get surgically castrated for walking around topless and/or that child revenge porn victims would be surgically castrated for commiting child porn against themselves?

It appears that it only applies to crimes committed against a victim who is younger than 13.

[BlueSwan]

This is an absolutely insane medieval proposal. People should look into medieval torture techniques and really ask themselves if this is the road they want to go down.

[Rubensim]

This is a another beautiful step to be making sure the women and little girls and boys of this state are protected from rapists
You can call it medieval but sex offenders are barbarian straight from the medieval age and deserve medieval punishments.

[Yeahsayyeah]

And I thought there was a provision in your constitution concerning cruel and unusual punishment?

[John Dule]

People who propose and endorse these types of laws do not care about protecting women or kids. They are nothing more than sadists who get off on the feeling of moral superiority that comes with punishing others. This country's sick fetishization of death, castration, incarceration, police brutality, and other forms of institutionalized torture and abuse is an indicator of a society in steep decline into utter depravity. Be ashamed.

[Obama24]

This is an absolutely insane medieval proposal. People should look into medieval torture techniques and really ask themselves if this is the road they want to go down.

Medieval torture did not involve chemically castrating people. Big difference between this, and hanging, drawing, and quartering. There's a good way to avoid being chemically castrated under this law: Don't molest kids.

[TheReckoning]

People who propose and endorse these types of laws do not care about protecting women or kids. They are nothing more than sadists who get off on the feeling of moral superiority that comes with punishing others. This country's sick fetishization of death, castration, incarceration, police brutality, and other forms of institutionalized torture and abuse is an indicator of a society in steep decline into utter depravity. Be ashamed.

No, it’s just that castration has been proven to be a very effective way of rehabilitating sex offenders, allowing them to participate in society while not harming others.

[John Dule]

People who propose and endorse these types of laws do not care about protecting women or kids. They are nothing more than sadists who get off on the feeling of moral superiority that comes with punishing others. This country's sick fetishization of death, castration, incarceration, police brutality, and other forms of institutionalized torture and abuse is an indicator of a society in steep decline into utter depravity. Be ashamed.

No, it’s just that castration has been proven to be a very effective way of rehabilitating sex offenders, allowing them to participate in society while not harming others.

And killing convicts is a great way to decrease recidivism. Any authoritarian craziness can be justified from the most narrow results-oriented analysis.

[Trans Rights Are Human Rights]

Tough on crime Republicans¹ will gladly let diddlers get castrated on the taxpayer's dime, but as soon as I ask to be castrated on the taxpayer's dime, they lose their minds.

Spoiler alert: Footnote 1

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While the bill was penned by a Democrat, the majority of Democrats voted against it in both chambers (see the party breakdown of each vote below).

Senate:
Rep: 27-1 Yea
Dem: 8-2 Nay
Absent: 1 Dem

House:
Rep: 67-6 Yea
Dem: 18-7 Nay
Absent: 7 Dems

[Trans Rights Are Human Rights]

That because it the greatest solution we have right now to keep these offenders from uh repeating there assault on the innocents of society

How about locking 'em up and throwing away the key? Also, 🤓 *their 🤓

while you don't need it.

I do, and in the past, I've had enough professionals agreeing to get my private insurance on board (though I didn't go through with it, and haven't gotten that close since, because I still needed to pay for incidentals).

[SWE]

This is an absolutely insane medieval proposal. People should look into medieval torture techniques and really ask themselves if this is the road they want to go down.

Medieval torture did not involve chemically castrating people. Big difference between this, and hanging, drawing, and quartering. There's a good way to avoid being chemically castrated under this law: Don't molest kids.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but being innocent is not a particularly effective way to avoid a criminal conviction

[BlueSwan]

This is an absolutely insane medieval proposal. People should look into medieval torture techniques and really ask themselves if this is the road they want to go down.

Medieval torture did not involve chemically castrating people. Big difference between this, and hanging, drawing, and quartering. There's a good way to avoid being chemically castrated under this law: Don't molest kids.

Who the hell is talking about chemical castration? The article clearly says surgical castration.

[wnwnwn]

This would be OK if the justice system was perfect, but it isn´t. And this is Louisiana...

[MasterJedi]

Fundy Christian punishments lining up with sharia law pretty well. The punishment should be life in prison, not forced government eugenics.

[DaleCooper]

People who propose and endorse these types of laws do not care about protecting women or kids. They are nothing more than sadists who get off on the feeling of moral superiority that comes with punishing others. This country's sick fetishization of death, castration, incarceration, police brutality, and other forms of institutionalized torture and abuse is an indicator of a society in steep decline into utter depravity. Be ashamed.

I suspect a lot of them are sex offenders or sexual deviants themselves, and supporting draconian legislation like this is either their way of covering their tracks or making themselves feel as though they've made amends for past crimes. There are a number of stories about co-sponsors of bills like this that end up being child molesters or pedos themselves. Another example would be that Sound of Freedom guy, whose entire "anti-trafficking" group turned out to be a scam to force female colleagues into having sex with him.

Here's some good advice for anybody in this thread or anywhere else who feels the need to constantly talk about how much they hate sexual predators, as if that's an impressive stance to take. No one is impressed, and a lot of us are just going to assume that you are into some really bad sh-t, lmao.

[Ancestral Republican]

That because it the greatest solution we have right now to keep these offenders from uh repeating there assault on the innocents of society

How about locking 'em up and throwing away the key? Also, 🤓 *their 🤓

while you don't need it.

I do, and in the past, I've had enough professionals agreeing to get my private insurance on board (though I didn't go through with it, and haven't gotten that close since, because I still needed to pay for incidentals).

Don't bother engaging with him. Just let him reveal his ignorance and the type of low-info person this appeals to.

[TheReckoning]

That because it the greatest solution we have right now to keep these offenders from uh repeating there assault on the innocents of society

How about locking 'em up and throwing away the key?

The problem is that prisoners sexually assault/assault/murder other prisoners all the time. Sending someone to prison doesn’t prevent them from hurting others, it just limits who they can hurt.