Biden condemns ICC for requesting an arrest warrant for Netanyahu

[Ancestral Republican]

I don’t think the ICC is anti semitic , just anti American . It’s yet another international organization set up by Europeans who want to pretend they have more influence then they do and get buthurt when other nations refuse to abide by them

“They’re anti-American” because they issued an arrest warrant against the leader of a country that isn’t America. 10/10 logic no notes

They have tried to investigate American figures before but we just responded with reminding them of The Hague invasion act .

The fact that you still think this argument helps your case is laughable.

If we go by the standards of the ICC then literally every post WW2 president with the possible exceptions of ford and carter could be tried by the ICC .

It's not anti-American to say people like Eddie Gallagher and other war criminals should have faced justice.

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

I don’t think the ICC is anti semitic , just anti American . It’s yet another international organization set up by Europeans who want to pretend they have more influence then they do and get buthurt when other nations refuse to abide by them

“They’re anti-American” because they issued an arrest warrant against the leader of a country that isn’t America. 10/10 logic no notes

They have tried to investigate American figures before but we just responded with reminding them of The Hague invasion act .

The fact that you still think this argument helps your case is laughable.

If we go by the standards of the ICC then literally every post WW2 president with the possible exceptions of ford and carter could be tried by the ICC .

You reap what you sow

[Horus]

I don’t think the ICC is anti semitic , just anti American . It’s yet another international organization set up by Europeans who want to pretend they have more influence then they do and get buthurt when other nations refuse to abide by them

“They’re anti-American” because they issued an arrest warrant against the leader of a country that isn’t America. 10/10 logic no notes

They have tried to investigate American figures before but we just responded with reminding them of The Hague invasion act .

The fact that you still think this argument helps your case is laughable.

If we go by the standards of the ICC then literally every post WW2 president with the possible exceptions of ford and carter could be tried by the ICC .

Sounds about right. When do we start?

[All Along The Watchtower]

The World Wars are precisely why we have international institutions, including legal ones. The fact that international law is more honored in the breach isn’t an argument against its necessity.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The World Wars are precisely why we have international institutions, including legal ones. The fact that international law is more honored in the breach isn’t an argument against its necessity.

For better or worse, the ICC is a joke and at best a decidedly mediocre institution that no one took seriously until it engaged in anti-Israel virtue signaling.  Whatever one thinks of the merits of the idea behind the organization, this much is true.

[Ancestral Republican]

Folks going after the ICC harkens back to the early part of this century when the Bush era GOP was attacking the idea of the UN because they didn't go along with his middle eastern disaster. America was in the wrong then, too.

The most effective criticism of the ICC is that they have no mechanism to enforce their decisions, because America and others (Russia, China, Iran) won't hand over their war criminals. But that's true of any supranational organization. If the major countries won't play ball there will never be recourse in the current geopolitical world order.

[TheReckoning]

Folks going after the ICC harkens back to the early part of this century when the Bush era GOP was attacking the idea of the UN because they didn't go along with his middle eastern disaster. America was in the wrong then, too.

The most effective criticism of the ICC is that they have no mechanism to enforce their decisions, because America and others (Russia, China, Iran) won't hand over their war criminals. But that's true of any supranational organization. If the major countries won't play ball there will never be recourse in the current geopolitical world order.

You could make an argument that if those guys refuse to play ball, we shouldn’t either- anything else would be unilateral disarmament.

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

International law as a concept is lol worthy and completely misunderstands what laws are about to begin with . Like no our definition of acceptable foreign policy actions is not the same as Western Europe and we should not be bound by it .

[Ancestral Republican]

Folks going after the ICC harkens back to the early part of this century when the Bush era GOP was attacking the idea of the UN because they didn't go along with his middle eastern disaster. America was in the wrong then, too.

The most effective criticism of the ICC is that they have no mechanism to enforce their decisions, because America and others (Russia, China, Iran) won't hand over their war criminals. But that's true of any supranational organization. If the major countries won't play ball there will never be recourse in the current geopolitical world order.

You could make an argument that if those guys refuse to play ball, we shouldn’t either- anything else would be unilateral disarmament.

You could. Not coherently, but you could.

[Ferguson97]

The trial was conducted by the victors , not some international court .

The Nuremberg trials were absolutely conducted by an international court. It was literally called the International Military Tribunal.

This is just a stunning level of ignorance I didn't even think was possible.

[OSR stands with Israel]

The trial was conducted by the victors , not some international court .

The Nuremberg trials were absolutely conducted by an international court. It was literally called the International Military Tribunal.

This is just a stunning level of ignorance I didn't even think was possible.

Not anything similar to the ICC . If it was then FDR and Churchill would be indicted too just like the ICC is doing now .

Charging both sides in a war is insane

[Horus]

The trial was conducted by the victors , not some international court .

The Nuremberg trials were absolutely conducted by an international court. It was literally called the International Military Tribunal.

This is just a stunning level of ignorance I didn't even think was possible.

Not anything similar to the ICC . If it was then FDR and Churchill would be indicted too just like the ICC is doing now .

Charging both sides in a war is insane

If both sides are committing war crimes, you charge both sides and that's exactly what happened.

[Ferguson97]

Charging both sides in a war is insane

Why?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Charging both sides in a war is insane

Why?

Would you support charging FDR and Churchill for the firebombing of Dresden .

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I don’t think the ICC is anti semitic , just anti American . It’s yet another international organization set up by Europeans who want to pretend they have more influence then they do and get buthurt when other nations refuse to abide by them

“They’re anti-American” because they issued an arrest warrant against the leader of a country that isn’t America. 10/10 logic no notes

They have tried to investigate American figures before but we just responded with reminding them of The Hague invasion act .

Oh my mistake then because clearly it’s not possible those figures did something wrong and the ICC is just out to get us

International law as a concept is lol worthy and completely misunderstands what laws are about to begin with . Like no our definition of acceptable foreign policy actions is not the same as Western Europe and we should not be bound by it .

It’s not useful against Putin either because if he ever fell , he’d be tried by whoever replaced him to begin with or extradited to ukraine so it’s not like you need these courts to begin with .

Didn’t realize the Nuremberg Trials were a joke

The trial was conducted by the victors , not some international court .

Indeed it was.
Sucks to be a Nazi. That just happens when your side loses!

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Charging both sides in a war is insane

Why?

Would you support charging FDR and Churchill for the firebombing of Dresden .

No, but I’d definitely support hanging Curtis LeMay for firebombing Tokyo’s residential districts and killing over 100,000 civilians.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I don’t think the ICC is anti semitic , just anti American . It’s yet another international organization set up by Europeans who want to pretend they have more influence then they do and get buthurt when other nations refuse to abide by them

“They’re anti-American” because they issued an arrest warrant against the leader of a country that isn’t America. 10/10 logic no notes

They have tried to investigate American figures before but we just responded with reminding them of The Hague invasion act .

Oh my mistake then because clearly it’s not possible those figures did something wrong and the ICC is just out to get us

International law as a concept is lol worthy and completely misunderstands what laws are about to begin with . Like no our definition of acceptable foreign policy actions is not the same as Western Europe and we should not be bound by it .

It’s not useful against Putin either because if he ever fell , he’d be tried by whoever replaced him to begin with or extradited to ukraine so it’s not like you need these courts to begin with .

Didn’t realize the Nuremberg Trials were a joke

The trial was conducted by the victors , not some international court .

Correct and for all its flaws, it worked out better than anything the ICC has ever done

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Charging both sides in a war is insane

Why?

Would you support charging FDR and Churchill for the firebombing of Dresden .

No, but I’d definitely support hanging Curtis LeMay for firebombing Tokyo’s residential districts and killing over 100,000 civilians.

I can't say I would agree.
The Tokyo firebombings were if anything fairly tame compared to what the Japanese were doing in China. The Japanese didn't really have a right to expect themselves to be exempted from suffering the same categories of things they dealt to others.

[Hindsight was 2020]

I don’t think the ICC is anti semitic , just anti American . It’s yet another international organization set up by Europeans who want to pretend they have more influence then they do and get buthurt when other nations refuse to abide by them

“They’re anti-American” because they issued an arrest warrant against the leader of a country that isn’t America. 10/10 logic no notes

They have tried to investigate American figures before but we just responded with reminding them of The Hague invasion act .

Oh my mistake then because clearly it’s not possible those figures did something wrong and the ICC is just out to get us

International law as a concept is lol worthy and completely misunderstands what laws are about to begin with . Like no our definition of acceptable foreign policy actions is not the same as Western Europe and we should not be bound by it .

It’s not useful against Putin either because if he ever fell , he’d be tried by whoever replaced him to begin with or extradited to ukraine so it’s not like you need these courts to begin with .

Didn’t realize the Nuremberg Trials were a joke

The trial was conducted by the victors , not some international court .

Indeed it was.
Sucks to be a Nazi. That just happens when your side loses!

The Nazis weren’t tried because lost they were tried because of the war crimes they committed. Jesus guys have any of you ever read a book about Nuremberg and what the point of the trial was? The idea that it was the victors putting the defeated on trial is literally the exact opposite of why it was put together. It was about establishing that the horrors of WW2 weren’t going to happen again by establishing international standards and laws for nations to conduct themselves by.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I don’t think the ICC is anti semitic , just anti American . It’s yet another international organization set up by Europeans who want to pretend they have more influence then they do and get buthurt when other nations refuse to abide by them

“They’re anti-American” because they issued an arrest warrant against the leader of a country that isn’t America. 10/10 logic no notes

They have tried to investigate American figures before but we just responded with reminding them of The Hague invasion act .

Oh my mistake then because clearly it’s not possible those figures did something wrong and the ICC is just out to get us

International law as a concept is lol worthy and completely misunderstands what laws are about to begin with . Like no our definition of acceptable foreign policy actions is not the same as Western Europe and we should not be bound by it .

It’s not useful against Putin either because if he ever fell , he’d be tried by whoever replaced him to begin with or extradited to ukraine so it’s not like you need these courts to begin with .

Didn’t realize the Nuremberg Trials were a joke

The trial was conducted by the victors , not some international court .

Indeed it was.
Sucks to be a Nazi. That just happens when your side loses!

The Nazis weren’t tried because lost they were tried because of the war crimes they committed. Jesus guys have any of you ever read a book about Nuremberg and what the point of the trial was? The idea that it was the victors putting the defeated on trial is literally the exact opposite of why it was put together. It was about establishing that the horrors of WW2 weren’t going to happen again by establishing international standards and laws for nations to conduct themselves by.

Just cause it was conducted by the winners does not mean it was unfair by any means . We guaranteed all due process rights so the trial was still fair .

Lastly trial conducted by winners was not something that happened much prior to ww2 . If an enemy was completely defeated like the Nazis were , all the captured Nazis would have ended up being hanged the day the war was finished so what we did was still very different

[Hindsight was 2020]

I don’t think the ICC is anti semitic , just anti American . It’s yet another international organization set up by Europeans who want to pretend they have more influence then they do and get buthurt when other nations refuse to abide by them

“They’re anti-American” because they issued an arrest warrant against the leader of a country that isn’t America. 10/10 logic no notes

They have tried to investigate American figures before but we just responded with reminding them of The Hague invasion act .

Oh my mistake then because clearly it’s not possible those figures did something wrong and the ICC is just out to get us

International law as a concept is lol worthy and completely misunderstands what laws are about to begin with . Like no our definition of acceptable foreign policy actions is not the same as Western Europe and we should not be bound by it .

It’s not useful against Putin either because if he ever fell , he’d be tried by whoever replaced him to begin with or extradited to ukraine so it’s not like you need these courts to begin with .

Didn’t realize the Nuremberg Trials were a joke

The trial was conducted by the victors , not some international court .

Indeed it was.
Sucks to be a Nazi. That just happens when your side loses!

The Nazis weren’t tried because lost they were tried because of the war crimes they committed. Jesus guys have any of you ever read a book about Nuremberg and what the point of the trial was? The idea that it was the victors putting the defeated on trial is literally the exact opposite of why it was put together. It was about establishing that the horrors of WW2 weren’t going to happen again by establishing international standards and laws for nations to conduct themselves by.

Just cause it was conducted by the winners does not mean it was unfair by any means . We guaranteed all due process rights so the trial was still fair .

Lastly trial conducted by winners was not something that happened much prior to ww2 . If an enemy was completely defeated like the Nazis were , all the captured Nazis would have ended up being hanged the day the war was finished so what we did was still very different

And the reason they did that was because the trial was about was about establishing that the horrors of WW2 weren’t going to happen again by establishing international standards and laws for nations to conduct themselves by.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I don’t think the ICC is anti semitic , just anti American . It’s yet another international organization set up by Europeans who want to pretend they have more influence then they do and get buthurt when other nations refuse to abide by them

“They’re anti-American” because they issued an arrest warrant against the leader of a country that isn’t America. 10/10 logic no notes

They have tried to investigate American figures before but we just responded with reminding them of The Hague invasion act .

The fact that you still think this argument helps your case is laughable.

If we go by the standards of the ICC then literally every post WW2 president with the possible exceptions of ford and carter could be tried by the ICC .

[Ancestral Republican]

OSR: Absurd strawman

Everyone: Actually, yeah.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Just cause it was conducted by the winners does not mean it was unfair by any means . We guaranteed all due process rights so the trial was still fair .

Lastly trial conducted by winners was not something that happened much prior to ww2 . If an enemy was completely defeated like the Nazis were , all the captured Nazis would have ended up being hanged the day the war was finished so what we did was still very different

*nods in agreement*

We should use our post-WWII international institutions more, not go back to victor’s justice (kill those who lost). The old way was bad and we shouldn’t delegitimize the new way just because enforcement is so difficult and there is selectivity and hypocrisy in international relations (what a shock!).

[DaleCooper]

Charging both sides in a war is insane

Why?

Would you support charging FDR and Churchill for the firebombing of Dresden .

No because German civilians were legitimate targets during WWII.