Presidential debate megathread (debate 1: June 27, 9pm EDT, CNN)

[GeorgiaModerate]

RFK needs one more poll over 15% to qualify for the debate now.

And ballot access in states with at least 270 electoral votes.

[wbrocks67]

RFK needs one more poll over 15% to qualify for the debate now.

And ballot access in states with at least 270 electoral votes.

Which seems extremely unlikely. Where's the other 3 polls for RFK over 15% though? Are we counting the entire cycle or is there a time frame? He's only been above 15 in one recently (Marquette out today?)

[kyc0705]

RFK needs one more poll over 15% to qualify for the debate now.

And ballot access in states with at least 270 electoral votes.

Which seems extremely unlikely. Where's the other 3 polls for RFK over 15% though? Are we counting the entire cycle or is there a time frame? He's only been above 15 in one recently (Marquette out today?)

The window opened on March 13. From a quick look through the polling databases, it looks like he hit the mark in a Quinnipiac poll and a CNN poll from April.

I think he will hit the polling threshold but I agree that ballot access will probably keep him out in the end.

[Harlow]

RFK needs one more poll over 15% to qualify for the debate now.

And ballot access in states with at least 270 electoral votes.

Which seems extremely unlikely. Where's the other 3 polls for RFK over 15% though? Are we counting the entire cycle or is there a time frame? He's only been above 15 in one recently (Marquette out today?)

The window opened on March 13. From a quick look through the polling databases, it looks like he hit the mark in a Quinnipiac poll and a CNN poll from April.

I think he will hit the polling threshold but I agree that ballot access will probably keep him out in the end.

I think it'll depend on how quickly states approve his signatures. According to Wikipedia, he's currently at 223 electors counting states that he has submitted signatures to.

[wbrocks67]

RFK needs one more poll over 15% to qualify for the debate now.

And ballot access in states with at least 270 electoral votes.

Which seems extremely unlikely. Where's the other 3 polls for RFK over 15% though? Are we counting the entire cycle or is there a time frame? He's only been above 15 in one recently (Marquette out today?)

The window opened on March 13. From a quick look through the polling databases, it looks like he hit the mark in a Quinnipiac poll and a CNN poll from April.

I think he will hit the polling threshold but I agree that ballot access will probably keep him out in the end.

I think it'll depend on how quickly states approve his signatures. According to Wikipedia, he's currently at 223 electors counting states that he has submitted signatures to.

Most of those states have not solidifed their ballot yet and likely won't before June 30.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

It's gonna be class warfare we know that the Trump tax cuts benefits the oil Corporation that's why oil states like TX and AK still supports Trump and blue states that's Environmental supports Biden

The 35/21 tax cuts benefits oil Corporation to a large extension

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

RFK needs one more poll over 15% to qualify for the debate now.

And ballot access in states with at least 270 electoral votes.

There's also the clause that the polls must meet "CNNs standards for reporting". Since they don't have a prearranged list like the CPD did, I feel like this'll get used to throw out a poll to keep Kennedy from qualifying. I'd be very shocked if they did let him in.

[kyc0705]

they don't have a prearranged list like the CPD did

They have a list:

Polls that meet CNN editorial standards and will be considered qualifying polls include those sponsored by: CNN, ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, Marquette University Law School, Monmouth University, NBC News, the New York Times/Siena College, NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist College, Quinnipiac University, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post.

[Comrade Funk]

Both bozos will back out if Kennedy's let it. Even if Kennedy sucks, both parties are bipartisan in their efforts to never let a third candidate participate.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Both bozos will back out if Kennedy's let it. Even if Kennedy sucks, both parties are bipartisan in their efforts to never let a third candidate participate.

Actually, Trump's already said he's fine with it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/us/politics/trump-debates-rfk-jr.html

So I guess there's a scenario where we get a repeat of the 1980 Reagan-Anderson Debate.

[emailking]

RFK debating I think would help Biden.

[wbrocks67]

Both bozos will back out if Kennedy's let it. Even if Kennedy sucks, both parties are bipartisan in their efforts to never let a third candidate participate.

Actually, Trump's already said he's fine with it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/us/politics/trump-debates-rfk-jr.html

So I guess there's a scenario where we get a repeat of the 1980 Reagan-Anderson Debate.

Why would anyone trust anything that man says?

[Arizona Iced Tea]

https://twitter.com/TVNewsNow/status/1793786189687726369?t=X89nfkd4tChMm-gJjoxyo...

[Landslide Lyndon]

Maybe it was mentioned somewhere but i guess none of the debates will be a townhall meeting.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Maybe it was mentioned somewhere but i guess none of the debates will be a townhall meeting.

Correct. It was a huge expense that we're probably better off without.

[The Mikado]

Both bozos will back out if Kennedy's let it. Even if Kennedy sucks, both parties are bipartisan in their efforts to never let a third candidate participate.

Actually, Trump's already said he's fine with it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/us/politics/trump-debates-rfk-jr.html

So I guess there's a scenario where we get a repeat of the 1980 Reagan-Anderson Debate.

I don't think there's a chance in hell this happens. Biden obviously doesn't WANT RFK Jr on the stage but he wants this way way less as a Trump RFK debate is 100% upside for Trump. He'll be there if it's a three way for the first debate.

[Eraserhead]

https://twitter.com/TVNewsNow/status/1793786189687726369?t=X89nfkd4tChMm-gJjoxyo...

Smart move (maybe?). Tbh I'm not sure how long either of them can stand at this point without hurting.

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June is so early. It looks like the earliest previous general election Presidential debate was September 21, 1980.

They've both accepted a 2nd debate with ABC News for September 10!

Even that would be a record for the earliest debate otherwise.

[emailking]

June is maybe too early but the September date I think makes sense when voting can last a month in some places.

[Compuzled_One]

I do have to ask, might CNN be cheeky, think they'd get more views in a three way debate, and count states where Kennedy turned in way more signatures than needed as him having ballot access?

Outside that, I don't think he makes it in unless the Libertarians somehow crossnominate him.

[Obama24]

Maybe it was mentioned somewhere but i guess none of the debates will be a townhall meeting.

Correct. It was a huge expense that we're probably better off without.

God forbid the voters get to ask questions to the candidates directly.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Maybe it was mentioned somewhere but i guess none of the debates will be a townhall meeting.

Correct. It was a huge expense that we're probably better off without.

God forbid the voters get to ask questions to the candidates directly.

I'm really not convinced the election was ever influenced much by questions from what always seemed to be Safe D constituencies. Even though it's ostensibly undecided voters, it's not really representative of anyone who will realistically swing the result, and there wasn't really a good way to verify that they were legit undecided.

Then you consider the extra space/equipment required, the effort of going through the questions ahead of time to avoid duplicates/trolls, and the cost of feeding these people dinner (yep, this was part of it), and at some point it's just not worth it.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I do have to ask, might CNN be cheeky, think they'd get more views in a three way debate, and count states where Kennedy turned in way more signatures than needed as him having ballot access?

Outside that, I don't think he makes it in unless the Libertarians somehow crossnominate him.

The Biden campaign seems to be under the impression that CNN would do the opposite and find a technicality to lock Kennedy out.

[Minnesota Mike]

I do have to ask, might CNN be cheeky, think they'd get more views in a three way debate, and count states where Kennedy turned in way more signatures than needed as him having ballot access?

Outside that, I don't think he makes it in unless the Libertarians somehow crossnominate him.

The Biden campaign seems to be under the impression that CNN would do the opposite and find a technicality to lock Kennedy out.

If the Biden or Trump campaigns do not want Kennedy on the stage he will not be there. CNN is in no position to dictate the rules. Biden campaign can simply refuse to do a 3 way debate and insist Kennedy would be nothing but a distraction only there because Trump is afraid to debate 1 on 1.

FWIW If I was the Biden campaign there is no way I would agree to a three way debate.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Prez Eday is over Oct, practically because early voting we know Biden is almost at 270 because AZ/GA/NV/NC are the clincher, Biden have more paths to 270 than Trump.

As I said earlier it's gonna be a class warfare between rich and poor we know Trump wants to put in more GORSUCH judges and renew his tax cuts