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« on: May 08, 2024, 11:55:31 AM »



What did President Biden mean by this?
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2024, 12:10:12 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2024, 12:13:14 PM »

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President Biden is receiving backlash for potential Islamophobia. Muslims in Michigan and Pennsylvania aren’t happy.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2024, 12:15:53 PM »

That people have been obsessed with killing Jews for thousands of years, to the point of self-destruction.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2024, 12:21:59 PM »
« Edited: May 08, 2024, 04:17:14 PM by lfromnj »

That people have been obsessed with killing Jews for thousands of years, to the point of self-destruction.

Golda Meir's quote always sticks by me about them needing to love their children more than they hate Jews.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2024, 12:24:44 PM »

A whole lot of antisemitic Hamas supporters who pretend to be left-wing were very triggered by this obviously correct statement. Sad to see.
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2024, 01:29:23 PM »

bigots don't like to have their bigotry pointed out
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2024, 01:33:37 PM »



What did President Biden mean by this?

He meant that anti-semitism is ancient. Stop playing dumb.
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2024, 01:38:07 PM »



I don't think criticizing Hamas is going to be an unpopular position with voters.
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2024, 01:57:57 PM »



I don't think criticizing Hamas is going to be an unpopular position with voters.

What about a poll for democrats?
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2024, 02:00:22 PM »



I don't think criticizing Hamas is going to be an unpopular position with voters.

What about a poll for democrats?
the redavs do NOT want to see that breakdown and doubly so not one with broader demographics.  Especially on that last question.


but I sure do!
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2024, 02:07:59 PM »



I don't think criticizing Hamas is going to be an unpopular position with voters.

What about a poll for democrats?
the redavs do NOT want to see that breakdown and doubly so not one with broader demographics.  Especially on that last question.


but I sure do!
https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2024, 02:14:15 PM »

well that's a little lower than expected, still 9% of under 30s thinking Oct 7th is "acceptable" (and 42% acceptable/unsure) is gross
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2024, 02:17:43 PM »

Proud that my age group had the best results on both of these:


It's the only bracket that has a majority "favorable" to both on the first question and majority "unfavorable" on the second, which is definitely how I would've answered.
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2024, 02:20:33 PM »



What did President Biden mean by this?

It's either an empty platitude, or it's because Biden is one of the first historically literate presidents.

My take on this conflict is that a reason this conflict has turned as ugly as it has, is because it's Jews who won the conflict. Muslims really looks down on Jews, if this had been British Israelites the conflicts would still have been ugly, but Muslims outside Israel/Palestine would mostly have stayed out of it.
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2024, 05:27:11 PM »
« Edited: May 09, 2024, 07:59:52 AM by MyLifeIsYours »

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Hamas has not existed for centuries. That is one of many false claims in this horrendous speech by this cryptic president.
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2024, 06:10:01 PM »

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Hamas has not existed for centuries. That is one false claims of many in this horrendous speech by this cryptic president.
"fueled by"
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2024, 07:34:01 PM »

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Hamas has not existed for centuries. That is one false claims of many in this horrendous speech by this cryptic president.

Biden isn't claiming that Hamas as existed for centuries, he's claiming that antisemitism has existed for centuries, which is true.
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2024, 07:41:20 PM »

Nazi's  have only existed since 1922 clearly their antisemitic beliefs can't be ancient in origin-MyLifeisYours in 1942.

*I really don't like to Godwins law but I think this is a historical enough example.

I guess there is also a moderate argument that Nazi antisemitic beliefs were more racial in nature rather than previous incarnations of antisemitism focusing more on the religious argument and usually letting converted Jews live.
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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2024, 07:49:08 PM »

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Hamas has not existed for centuries. That is one false claims of many in this horrendous speech by this cryptic president.

Biden isn't claiming that Hamas as existed for centuries, he's claiming that antisemitism has existed for centuries, which is true.
A lot depends on how you looking at it but religious bigotries against Jews are absolutely something that's been present. The worst outbreak of anti-Semitism in Europe before 1930s-1940s in fact came during the Black Death (which killed about 50% of so of the population in many places) where Jews got blamed for the sheer human loss and great many had to flee Western Europe for places like Poland.
Anti-Palestinian bigotries, while no less serious, are far newer because Palestinian itself, as a national identity, was the creation of the 20th century.
Conflicts over land have occurred regularly in history and have commonly produced hostile rivalries, so all the nastyness surrounding The Conflict is hardly surprising.
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2024, 01:28:16 AM »

The mistake people make is believing anti-semitism is a product of the Arab Israeli conflict rather than its cause
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2024, 02:02:13 AM »

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Hamas has not existed for centuries. That is one false claims of many in this horrendous speech by this cryptic president.

No offense but I think you might be illiterate if that’s how you understood his statement.
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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2024, 06:03:34 AM »

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Hamas has not existed for centuries. That is one false claims of many in this horrendous speech by this cryptic president.

Palestinian Arab Nationalism has existed since the Grand Mufti.

Jihadic Islam goes back even further.  And Hamas, specifically, is a Jihadic organization.

It would be nice if Biden would actually explain the history of this situation.
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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2024, 07:35:19 AM »

Drop out, Senile Joe.
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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2024, 01:17:40 PM »

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Hamas has not existed for centuries. That is one false claims of many in this horrendous speech by this cryptic president.

No offense but I think you might be illiterate if that’s how you understood his statement.



President Biden, no!

Supporters of Israel are starting to turn against Biden FAST.
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