Why does the BLUE WALL seem so hard to break by the GOP?
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« on: May 04, 2024, 07:37:50 AM »

Why is it so hard for the GOP to make significant inroads in the BLUE WALL states?

Apart from Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin voting GOP in 2016, which was never more than 1.5%, It seems like a daunting task for the GOP nominee to poll within 5% or win more than 2% of a any BLUE WALL state.
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2024, 09:47:04 AM »

What do you mean? You might as well ask why democrats aren't making much inroads in Oklahoma?

Partisan polarization is real. There are very few actual swing voters out there so it is tough for either party to make significant gains.

I mean, the republican party has all but devolved into an authoritarian cult and yet they are poised to win a trifecta in november. Its basically all about turnout these days and for a variety of reasons it is very very hard to get the very broad D coalition to turn out. It took record turnout in 2020 to defeat Trump and that is gonna be extremely hard to replicate. That's why Trump is currently clearly favoured to win in november.
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2024, 11:00:47 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2024, 11:01:03 AM »

Same reason Dems can't flip TEH SUNBELT STACK!
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2024, 11:09:11 AM »

I don't think Wisconsin is part of the blue wall anymore. Unlike the other two it still voted for Trump in 2016 more than Biden 2020 (albeit very narrowly). I know people are stubborn but it's not 2016 anymore. If you want to make a blue triangle for Biden it's AZ MI PA.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2024, 11:10:54 AM »

Biden has higher Approvals in blue states than red states that's why the polls were wrong in 22. Do users know that we have D G on blue states than red states
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2024, 11:15:11 AM »

Biden won the PV by 4.5 points. MI, WI, PA going to him narrowly contradicts, not reinforces, the narrative of a blue wall. He would've lost the election while winning the PV by 3 points because of weakness in those states.

Remember that the blue wall concept started because Kerry retained all of those states, despite strong attempts by Bush, all while losing the PV by 2.5.

Trump now has leads in those states as you would expect with a PV lead. There is no magic making them go blue.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2024, 11:19:10 AM »
« Edited: May 04, 2024, 11:23:03 AM by Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers »

Biden won the PV by 4.5 points. MI, WI, PA going to him narrowly contradicts, not reinforces, the narrative of a blue wall. He would've lost the election while winning the PV by 3 points because of weakness in those states.

Remember that the blue wall concept started because Kerry retained all of those states, despite strong attempts by Bush, all while losing the PV by 2.5.

Trump now has leads in those states as you would expect with a PV lead. There is no magic making them go blue.

Trump is losing in Zogby polls that has Biden leading in all three 48/45 as I told other R users if D S win them it's hard to see Biden losing them

There is only 1 pollster that can enter polls and he never enters the D ones but Zogby has Biden leading in the Rust belt

The Sunbelt is where Biden is doing worse at except CA, CO, NM because of gas prices but after Summer peak they will go down after labor day, just like in 22

How many times do I have to tell Rs we aren't losing the Blue wall it's votes not polls that count because of how wrong 22 polls were
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