Democrats, would your opinion of Biden worsen if he ends up losing to Trump?

[Woody]

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[President Johnson]

No, but to be honest, my opinion of the electorate would.

[Pheurton Skeurto]

Yes, I will probably experience a bit of anger at his decision not to step aside provided that no other mitigating factors (such as another pandemic-level catastrophe) would cause him to lose the election. If Biden loses, it will be because of 1. the economy and 2. his age.

[Progressive Pessimist]

No, but to be honest, my opinion of the electorate would.

Same. That's about what happened with me after 2016 too.

It would be evidence that we'll truly never learn anything. 2020 and 2022 were flukes.

[Libs of Ben-Gvir]

Yes. It was essentially his entire argument for the nomination in 2020. The fact that he went from "the only one who can beat Trump" to "the only one who can lose to Trump" is already very damaging.

[henster]

Yes. It was essentially his entire argument for the nomination in 2020. The fact that he went from "the only one who can beat Trump" to "the only one who can lose to Trump" is already very damaging.

Him being the only electable candidate in 2020 is still a stretch to me.

[Oregon Eagle Politics]

Yes. It was essentially his entire argument for the nomination in 2020. The fact that he went from "the only one who can beat Trump" to "the only one who can lose to Trump" is already very damaging.

Him being the only electable candidate in 2020 is still a stretch to me.

Klobuchar also would’ve won.

[henster]

Yes. It was essentially his entire argument for the nomination in 2020. The fact that he went from "the only one who can beat Trump" to "the only one who can lose to Trump" is already very damaging.

Him being the only electable candidate in 2020 is still a stretch to me.

Klobuchar also would’ve won.

I agree that Klobuchar was the most electable candidate in the moderate lane but there were a lot of obstacles for her in the primary. If Pete weren't in the picture then perhaps she has a better showing in Iowa and wins NH but we'll never know.

[Obama24]

Yes. It was essentially his entire argument for the nomination in 2020. The fact that he went from "the only one who can beat Trump" to "the only one who can lose to Trump" is already very damaging.

Who, besides Biden, in your view could beat Trump?

Personally, I only know of one other who could do it. A lady who ran in 2016.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He won't lose , half the polls he is up but users cherry pick Polls

[Eraserhead]

Nah, not really.

My opinion of him as a politician/President is already pretty low. My opinion of him as a man is mixed and I don't think that would change much either.

[Eraserhead]

Yes. It was essentially his entire argument for the nomination in 2020. The fact that he went from "the only one who can beat Trump" to "the only one who can lose to Trump" is already very damaging.

Who, besides Biden, in your view could beat Trump?

Personally, I only know of one other who could do it. A lady who ran in 2016.

You mean the lady who got electorally destroyed by him? Huh?

[LostInOhio]

Yes. It was essentially his entire argument for the nomination in 2020. The fact that he went from "the only one who can beat Trump" to "the only one who can lose to Trump" is already very damaging.

Who, besides Biden, in your view could beat Trump?

Personally, I only know of one other who could do it. A lady who ran in 2016.

Booker would’ve won. Klobuchar too. Senator Bennett or Jay Inslee. Maybe even Warren, who would’ve curb stomped Trump in that debate.

I don’t think Bernie would just because he’s too far left for the general. Really I wish neither Biden nor Bernie had run. We’d be in a totally different race right now. Biden is good at getting legislation passed but is a thoroughly uninspiring and ineffectual leader.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

No, but to be honest, my opinion of the electorate would.

That sounds very close to the basket of deplorables comparison.

[nerd73]

Here's my thoughts:

Buttigieg would have lost, and lost badly. All of Dems' current issues with minorities and non-college voters would have been dramatically amplified with Buttigieg at the helm. Progressives probably wouldn't have liked him much either.

Warren would have also lost though perhaps not as badly, being once again too nerdy/academic to appeal to the non-college educated majority. She'd have also possibly turned off some of the center-right Romney-loving suburbanites as well.

Sanders I think could have actually squeaked a victory though the rust belt trio but loses GA/AZ, as well as the Senate (and possibly the House). He makes up for losses with suburbanites (treading water or barely improving from Clinton 2016) by doing slightly better with non-college minority and white voters. After four years of intense media concern trolling and congressional gridlock however, and he would definitely be on track to losing to Trump this year.

Klobuchar probably wins with a Biden-level victory (possibly even more) but progressives who held their nose for her to stop Trump in 2020 defect much more quickly over her term as she showed no intentions of trying to work with them unlike Biden. The Democratic coalition outright ruptures after 10/7 and doesn't look back.

If Trump wins this year, I think it largely means that 2021-2025 was just a bit of a bad term to be President. I don't think any other Democrat would be faring much better, and had he won in 2020 and had democracy survived, Democrats would likely be on track to win this year as well. That's not to say I think Biden's done a great job - he's been mediocre at best - but I also don't think the blame can be laid entirely on one man.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

It would drop if it was a really big loss, yeah.

[ProgressiveModerate]

Yes. It was essentially his entire argument for the nomination in 2020. The fact that he went from "the only one who can beat Trump" to "the only one who can lose to Trump" is already very damaging.

I'm not really sure either of these were ever true; in general I don't see many people flipping because of who the Democratic candidate is and while Biden faces age attacks, other Dem candidates would've faced other attacks that would likely be similar in magnitude.

[MillennialModerate]

Yes. Because it will be apparent that he did not “put the country first” in choosing to run in 2024.

[Gass3268]

I mean to a point yes, also Democrats don't venerate losers like Republicans.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Yes. Because it will be apparent that he did not “put the country first” in choosing to run in 2024.

Here we go again with your Doomerism

[President Johnson]

No, but to be honest, my opinion of the electorate would.

That sounds very close to the basket of deplorables comparison.

She wasn't wrong with the racist and sexist part though. Whether the wording for a poltical candidate (which I'm not, just stating an opinion as private citizen) is approriate or not is another question. "Half" might be a bit harsh, but the people storming the capitol on January 6 were absolutely deplorable.

[SnowLabrador]

Absolutely. He had one job.

[OSR stands with Israel]

If Trump wins this year, I think it largely means that 2021-2025 was just a bit of a bad term to be President. I don't think any other Democrat would be faring much better, and had he won in 2020 and had democracy survived, Democrats would likely be on track to win this year as well. That's not to say I think Biden's done a great job - he's been mediocre at best - but I also don't think the blame can be laid entirely on one man.

It is absolutely this and you can see polls all across the west to see this being the case . Biden for example is polling way better than Scholz , Sunak or Trudeau and even Australian Labor is now starting to slip in the polls and they just took power in May of 2022.

Really seems like this should have been an election the Republicans should be winning in a rout but because of a mix of doubling down on election denialism + Dobbs they may be very well blow this election .

[RGM2609]

No, but to be honest, my opinion of the electorate would.

That sounds very close to the basket of deplorables comparison.

That comparison aged like some ing amazing wine.