Are "double haters" the new norm beyond the Trump era?

[Sir Mohamed]

We're reading about and pollster frequently conduct surveys with so-called "double haters", ergo people disliking Biden and Trump as major party candidates. Sort of reminds me of 2016, while in 2020 Biden at least seemed semi-popular. That said, I wonder whether this would be any different in another matchup. Tbh, if the 2024 race was Harris vs. DeSantis, I'm fairly certain both would also have negative approvals (most likely even in double digits).

Could this phenomen be the new norm even beyond the age of Trump? Just look at surveys polling the favorabilities of other major US politicians. Most of them are underwater, regardless of party, ideology, age, gender or race. It feels like we're living in times of general anexity over politics and leaders and every presidential election is now more of a contest about who's the lesser evil. Imho, this goes way beyond Biden and Trump as candidates.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I think it’s very possible we are entering an era of anti incumbency . So instead of incumbency being something that’s considered and advantage , it becomes considered a disadvantage and btw this isn’t the first time this has happened.

From 1836-1896: No incumbent president outside Lincoln or Grant ended up being reelected . So this was clearly an anti incumbency era in American politics

[Libs of Ben-Gvir]

Not the new norm because most of the electorate is actually hyper partisan but depending on the candidates they are a sizeable share of the electorate.

In a Biden vs Trump contest double haters are 15-20% of the electorate.

[Progressive Pessimist]

For now, it seems like it.

But 2028 could be a different story if both parties nominate fresh faces (Democrats certainly will).

[Sir Mohamed]

For now, it seems like it.

But 2028 could be a different story if both parties nominate fresh faces (Democrats certainly will).

Depends on the 2024 outcome. If Biden is reelected, I expect Harris to be the nominee. She won't cakewalk to the nomination alá Gore 2000, but she's at least the early frontrunner. She probably even runs with Biden losing this year, though then her task gets much more difficult as opposed to being a sitting VP.

[Del Tachi]

About 1-in-4 Americans have unfavorable views of both Biden and Trump. This sentiment is more common among younger adults than older adults, and among voters who identify as independents.  Only 2% of Americans have a favorable opinion of both, lol.  Pew Research

I don't think this is a new normal, however.  Trump and Biden are both uniquely unpopular politicians within their own parties.  Both parties will probably nominate more popular choices in 2028.

[Steve from Lambeth]

I think it’s very possible we are entering an era of anti incumbency . So instead of incumbency being something that’s considered and advantage , it becomes considered a disadvantage and btw this isn’t the first time this has happened.

From 1836-1896: No incumbent president outside Lincoln or Grant ended up being reelected . So this was clearly an anti incumbency era in American politics

More interesting is that, for all the noise made about the 22nd Amendment, only 13 of the 45 individual Presidents thusfar - George Washington Himself, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Andrew Johnson, Grant, Wilson, FDR, Eisenhower, Reagan, Clinton, GW Bush and Obama - have served eight consecutive years (and Cleveland famously served eight non-consecutive years).

[Sir Mohamed]

About 1-in-4 Americans have unfavorable views of both Biden and Trump. This sentiment is more common among younger adults than older adults, and among voters who identify as independents.  Only 2% of Americans have a favorable opinion of both, lol.  Pew Research

I don't think this is a new normal, however.  Trump and Biden are both uniquely unpopular politicians within their own parties.  Both parties will probably nominate more popular choices in 2028.

2028 is possible, but as I said in the OP, it's not exclusively Biden and Trump. In a Harris vs. RDS matchup, it's relatively clear that both aren't liked as well.

[All Along The Watchtower]

About 1-in-4 Americans have unfavorable views of both Biden and Trump. This sentiment is more common among younger adults than older adults, and among voters who identify as independents.  Only 2% of Americans have a favorable opinion of both, lol.  Pew Research

I don't think this is a new normal, however.  Trump and Biden are both uniquely unpopular politicians within their own parties. Both parties will probably nominate more popular choices in 2028.

I don’t really disagree, but:

Clinton couldn’t get much less popular among Republicans, 88 percent of whom see her unfavorably. But she’s also lost 8 points in this measure among independents (to 31 percent) and among Democrats (to 79 percent, versus Trump’s 72 percent among Republicans).

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/poll-clinton-unpopularity-high-par-trump/story?id=41752050

Is it just a coincidence that Hillary Clinton was also unpopular in 2016? The common denominator between then and now is Trump being the Republican nominee, but that could also be a coincidence.

I guess Democrats got spoiled with Obama (not that his popularity did them much good downballot…). Perhaps someone more popular than Biden or Clinton, but not as popular as Obama is a realistic hope for the Dems

[GAinDC]

About 1-in-4 Americans have unfavorable views of both Biden and Trump. This sentiment is more common among younger adults than older adults, and among voters who identify as independents.  Only 2% of Americans have a favorable opinion of both, lol.  Pew Research

I don't think this is a new normal, however.  Trump and Biden are both uniquely unpopular politicians within their own parties. Both parties will probably nominate more popular choices in 2028.

I don’t really disagree, but:

Clinton couldn’t get much less popular among Republicans, 88 percent of whom see her unfavorably. But she’s also lost 8 points in this measure among independents (to 31 percent) and among Democrats (to 79 percent, versus Trump’s 72 percent among Republicans).

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/poll-clinton-unpopularity-high-par-trump/story?id=41752050

Is it just a coincidence that Hillary Clinton was also unpopular in 2016? The common denominator between then and now is Trump being the Republican nominee, but that could also be a coincidence.

I guess Democrats got spoiled with Obama (not that his popularity did them much good downballot…). Perhaps someone more popular than Biden or Clinton, but not as popular as Obama is a realistic hope for the Dems

As a Dem who enthusiastically voted for Obama both times, I’d rather have a figure like Biden — who isn’t as charismatic but has made the party stronger downballot.

Obama had two great victories, but I still wonder if they were worth the shellacking Dems got in 2010 and 2014, which made us pretty weak when Trump first came into office.

If only there was a way to have both, but it seems like it’s always a trade off.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Rs like OSR don't want Ds to get the Filibuster proof Trifecta but the blue wall map goes thru 28 so if we don't get it now we are gonna eventually get it sooner or later

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

I think it’s very possible we are entering an era of anti incumbency . So instead of incumbency being something that’s considered and advantage , it becomes considered a disadvantage and btw this isn’t the first time this has happened.

From 1836-1896: No incumbent president outside Lincoln or Grant ended up being reelected . So this was clearly an anti incumbency era in American politics

During that era, particularly after the Civil War, it was more that incumbency was challenged internally rather than by the other party. Republicans dominated elections, only Cleveland was able to win as a Democrat, but factionalism within the GOP is what often prevented Republican presidents from seeking re-election. In this era, I think it's less intra-party factionalism, and more of a nationwide factionalism represented by the two parties, and the country switching parties every four years.

[Samof94]

About 1-in-4 Americans have unfavorable views of both Biden and Trump. This sentiment is more common among younger adults than older adults, and among voters who identify as independents.  Only 2% of Americans have a favorable opinion of both, lol.  Pew Research

I don't think this is a new normal, however.  Trump and Biden are both uniquely unpopular politicians within their own parties.  Both parties will probably nominate more popular choices in 2028.

What if the GOP nominates their version of Bill Clinton in 2028 or 2032 (but born in the 1980s instead of 1940s, adjusting for age, of course) and is unusually effective in the suburbs to the point that Minnesota flips red?

[Del Tachi]

About 1-in-4 Americans have unfavorable views of both Biden and Trump. This sentiment is more common among younger adults than older adults, and among voters who identify as independents.  Only 2% of Americans have a favorable opinion of both, lol.  Pew Research

I don't think this is a new normal, however.  Trump and Biden are both uniquely unpopular politicians within their own parties.  Both parties will probably nominate more popular choices in 2028.

What if the GOP nominates their version of Bill Clinton in 2028 or 2032 (but born in the 1980s instead of 1940s, adjusting for age, of course) and is unusually effective in the suburbs to the point that Minnesota flips red?

Could happen.  Maybe he's Ron DeSantis or J.D. Vance!

[Arizona Iced Tea]

I think people misguidingly think a lot of these new things started with Trump. And while they were more prominent, the 2012 election really did most of the footwork to get it started. Obama-Romney may feel like a friendly campaign in 2024 but it was one of the most toxic of all time when it occured. Unlike 2008, which was more mild and both candidates had mutual respect for each other, the 2012 race really changed that around. Obama and Romney started running against their opponent rather than promoting themselves, and many attacks were thrown around. This laid the groundwork for what happened in 2016 and onwards.

[Pericles]

Biden was liked by almost all of his voters in 2020. So it is still possible for a candidate to have a net positive favorability rating, though I'd accept that it is harder than it was 10-20 years ago.