Oklahoma Exit poll

[© tweed]

it's a horse race in Oklahoma, man is it fun watching the returns come in. Best of luck to Clark, Edwards, and Kerry!

Edwards just pulled with 200 votes of Clark in okie.

[ilikeverin]

Current:

Edwards: 61,111 - 31%
Clark: 59,654 - 30%
Kerry: 51,311 - 26%

We have a horserace!

69% of precincts reporting!

[M]

Look like Clark, if you can believe it. I can only assume that Oklahoma Democrats have a large percentage of the stupid demographic. I can't imagine anyone expects Clark to be the nominee, so it may be Oklahomans roundabout way of voting for Kerry (ie, I threw my vote away and didn't vote for Edwards!)

If Edwards wins Oklahoma, he may well win the nomination. If Clark wins, Edwards campaign is over. Ah, well. My fantasies f a somewhat moderate dem party were always unrealistic anyway. It's time to turn my user name upside down and scream GO!

[emergingDmajority1]

rats, Clark won Oklahoma by 900 votes or so. Now he'll hang around longer with no real momentum. He's the new Lieberman in the race.

[Beet]

He also squeaked by Edwards in NH by about 1,000 votes. In both those cases Clark had commanding early leads and late deciders tilted to Edwards but it wasn't enough.

My question is-- what do delegates do if the person they are committed to drop out? Do they still have to cast kamikaze votes or are they free to re-commit to someone else?

[Beet]

Also, Clark's son is right about the media. They're reporting it as a horse race and with very little about the actual issues.

[emergingDmajority1]

the clark win in NH was tiny, only like 200 votes or so.

[opebo]

If experience was important, Gore would have crushed Bush.

Gore never had any real-life experience, he was a career pol and it hurt his chances.  Edwards does have real-life experience and was very successful, but his occupation is not very respected.

Thats fair, although I still don't see why people hate lawyers, especially trial lawyers, so much. Sure they make their career out of manipulating words, but without them people wouldn't be able to have an adequate defense against the law or representation. Medical penalties may be high, but doctors make a lot of money and a high penalty is a necessary deterrent to keep them careful and honest. There should be a cap on penalties but it should be around $700,000. Also, insurance companies get pinched every time interest rates are low because it lowers their return on their investments, so they charge more. But some of this blame gets passed onto lawyers, which isn't fair. The same thing happens with the insurance companies every interest rate cycle.

The average doctor does *not* make a lot of money considering the training, investment, etc.

[Reaganfan]

Gore made himself like a robot in the debates. He combed his hair like Reagan.

[© tweed]

Clark barely won Oklahoma.  CNN still hasn't called him as the winner, but he'll win it.  This all but cements Kerry's stature as a regional (southern) candidate.  He needs Tennessee and Virginia.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You mean Edwards?
An under 1% gap second in Oklahoma is better than he would have thought he would of got.
OK awards proportionally, so the state is basically tied.
A good night for Edwards

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

You have to understand what coudn't deliver Gore was that he was a too smart clone of Dubya. They were both sons of successful politicians and aristocrats. Both were not soldiers on the ground in Vietnam. Both were playing southern moderates.

Gore couldn't relate to make anyone really interested in voting for him.

I hope you're not trying to say that Gore was too intelligent to be able to relate with the public.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Gore lost because he seemed to do everything in his power to seriously piss off thousands, possibly millions, of natural Democrats in state after state after state.

Gore was Poor

[Gustaf]

You have to understand what coudn't deliver Gore was that he was a too smart clone of Dubya. They were both sons of successful politicians and aristocrats. Both were not soldiers on the ground in Vietnam. Both were playing southern moderates.

Gore couldn't relate to make anyone really interested in voting for him.

I hope you're not trying to say that Gore was too intelligent to be able to relate with the public.

Why do you hope that? B/c you don't think Gore was intelligent?

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Why do you hope that? B/c you don't think Gore was intelligent?

Gore is so compulsive (tossed to and fro by subjective concepts yet never able to arrive at the truth) it is hard to measure his intelligence.  He possesses very little objectivity.  Examples:

The “Lock Box”:  He built a huge portion of his 2000 campaign around a “lock box” for the Social Security (SS) trust fund surplus (not to be confused with the projected budget surpluses)– a SS surplus that does NOT exists.  For even though SS currently takes in tens of billions of dollars more than it currently spends, the SS surplus has always been spent to cover other Fed expenditures, thus the SS surplus is nothing more than an IOU to the American people from the American people….Yet Gore was still obsessed about becoming the savior of SS by building a lock box for an IOU!   Now you could argue that Gore was simply lying about the SS trust fund like all other politicians.  But in Gore’s case, it appears that he really believed what he was saying.

CO2 the main cause of Global Warming:  Here is a perfect example of Gore’s lack of objectivity.  He has ZERO training in thermodynamics, yet he believes he is THE expert and the savior of the world from global warming….once again, Gore’s focus is on something he can not grasp with any objectivity, lacking the basic skills to solve any thermodynamic problem set beyond chapter 1 of any Thermodynamics 101 textbook.

Gore’s environmental spirituality:  Gore professes to have the ability to discern the Spirit of God from within rocks, trees, frogs, and slugs.  Unlike Gore, any objective person would immediately realize such a belief is in fundamental contradiction with the bible, even though Gore identifies himself as a Christian.  

The only scholastic area Gore has excelled in is Government.  Yet, government is supposed to be the tool through which we put into practice our expert knowledge obtained from disciplines outside of government.  But Gore tries to use government to put into practice his “expertise” in disciplines in which he has no training.

Gore has had MANY opportunities in his life to study disciplines (farming, law, etc) involving objectivity, yet he has shown no interest in actually applying himself to anything objective.  But that hasn’t stopped him from forming grand save-the-world theories in disciplines he refused to scholastically engage, while making himself an apostle for radical change.

Certainly Clinton was NOT like this. Neither is Bush43. Neither was Bush41, nor Reagan, nor Carter, etc, etc.