Support for SSM drops first time in a decade

[Arizona Iced Tea]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1767630647424594023?t=C9sHKz-9WBcj-A1CsLoSJA&...

[Progressive Pessimist]

I guess that gives Republicans cover to start running on overturning Obergefell.

No, please, don't run on that!

[Arizona Iced Tea]

I guess that gives Republicans cover to start running on overturning Obergefell.

No, please, don't run on that!

Would overturning Obergefelle hurt Rs more than Roe did?

[Progressive Pessimist]

I guess that gives Republicans cover to start running on overturning Obergefell.

No, please, don't run on that!

Would overturning Obergefelle hurt Rs more than Roe did?

Undeniably.

[Hindsight was 2020]

I’ll save anyone who wants to click the link the trouble it’s a 2% decline. Freaking clickbait

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I’ll save anyone who wants to click the link the trouble it’s a 2% decline. Freaking clickbait

That's within margin of error. Easy explanation.

[HisGrace]

69 to 67 percent in one year over year poll is meaningless.

Interesting that support for anti discrimination laws for gays was higher though at 76 percent. Would have thought it would be the other way around.

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I’ll save anyone who wants to click the link the trouble it’s a 2% decline. Freaking clickbait

That's within margin of error. Easy explanation.

Depending on the rounding, it's likely just outside the margin of error here.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I guess that gives Republicans cover to start running on overturning Obergefell.

No, please, don't run on that!

The issue is that because the Defense of Marriage Act has been formally repealed (it's been unenforceable since 2013, but now is actually repealed outright), even if Obergefell were overturned states would still have to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states, thus rendering it kind of pointless, especially with the economic consequences of being the state that challenges it in the first place. And hence...no state has even attempted to ban same-sex marriage and create a case.

That's why unlike abortion it's a settled issue.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

The data from PRRI’s American Values Atlas (AVA) survey found support for same-sex marriage dropped two points, from 69 percent to 67 percent, from 2022 to 2023. The last time Americans support form same-sex marriage dropped in the same survey was between 2014 and 2015, from 54 to 53 percent.

The survey also showed support for non-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people falling for the first time since 2018. Americans’ support for those protections reached a peak of 80 percent in 2022, but fell to 76 percent last year.

“Our survey shows that support for LGBTQ rights has dipped slightly from 2022 to 2023, although the vast majority of Americans continue to endorse anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ Americans and the rights of same-sex couples to marry,” Melissa Deckman, the CEO of PRRI, said in a statement in a press release Tuesday.

“The growing partisan divide on these issues show the effect of the continuous use of LGBTQ identity and LGBTQ rights as a wedge issue in our nation’s culture wars,” Deckman continued.

A 2 point drop is fairly inconsequential considering the heat of our current 'culture wars' amping up and obviously pushing people from the middle to the poles.

[DaleCooper]

This is just noise. There might be a little bit of boomer backlash to rainbow corporate logos or too many gay supporting characters on TV, or whatever it is they're upset about these days, but long-term the anti-gay movement is dead in this country.

[Horus]

I’ll save anyone who wants to click the link the trouble it’s a 2% decline. Freaking clickbait

It's also not the first time support has dropped. The late 70s were undeniably safer for LGBT Americans than the early 80s. Just after Obama was elected there was a small but consistent backlash too, though it obviously didn't last.

Anyways, this is noise, the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice, etc.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

There are a lot of celebic people out there because Of AIDs, I don't condone SSM

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Who cares, we know why the birth rate is down, it has less to do with SSM and it's more to do with celebacy/abstinence due to AIDS, as I previously said

Rs whom are ant gay have it wrong, that SSM is caused of birth decline it's not, it's due to celebacy of the AIDS virus too. There are a lot of people practicing safe sex in form of celebacy than before, especially men


People say why don't you have kids, because I am practicing Celebacy due to AIDS

[afleitch]

As with other surveys recently, a fall in Republican support is one of the key contributing factors. Some other movements (like a noticeable drop in Hispanic Catholic support) may be more margin of error stuff.

Interestingly the same survey has 24% of Gen Z identify as LGBT.

[ibagli]

69 to 67 percent in one year over year poll is meaningless.

Interesting that support for anti discrimination laws for gays was higher though at 76 percent. Would have thought it would be the other way around.

It's always been higher. The first anti-discrimination law was enacted in 1982 in Wisconsin. The problem before the Bostock decision was that discrimination was so unpopular that people thought it was already illegal nationwide.

Gallup asked "do you think gays or lesbians should or should not have equal rights as non-gays or non-lesbians in terms of job opportunities?" in 1977 and it was 56-33 that they should. Consensual relations being legal at all was only 43-43. People really don't like the idea of their bosses getting involved in this, so much so that if they had been asked about jobs first, they were way more likely to say relations between consenting adults should be legal.