Florida HB 1557 ("Don't Say Gay") gutted in settlement - now applies only to instruction on LGBTQ+

[Steve from Lambeth]

Equality Florida has agreed with the Floridian Government that HB 1557 must be narrowly enforced, as follows (222/1,172 words quoted = 18.9% of press release):

• Classroom references. The law does not prohibit references to LGBTQ+ persons, couples, families, or issues [...] in which a teacher is not “instructing” on the subject of sexual orientation or gender identity.
• Non-discrimination. The law does not target LGBTQ+ persons, couples, families, or issues.  Rather, it requires neutrality and prohibits “classroom instruction” on the subjects of sexual orientation or gender identity [...]
• Anti-bullying and acceptance. The law does not prohibit instruction or intervention against bullying on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, nor does it require the removal of safe space stickers or elimination of safe space areas for the benefit of LGBTQ+ persons.
• Extracurricular activities. The law does not prohibit Gay-Straight Alliances [...], participation and expression by LGBTQ+ persons in other extracurricular events like school dances, or the wearing of clothing that is affiliated with LGBTQ+ persons or issues or that does not conform with one’s perceived gender identity.
• Library books. The law does not apply to library books, so long as those books are not being used in the classroom to instruct on the subjects of sexual orientation or gender identity.
• Third parties. The law does not apply to non-school-personnel [...] so long as the school is not delegating to such third party the role of providing classroom instruction on the subjects of sexual orientation or gender identity.

[brucejoel99]

Woke fought the law and the woke won.

[T'Chenka]

Good.

DeSantis and the anti-woke brigade can pound salt.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Good.

DeSantis and the anti-woke brigade can pound salt.

DeSantis agreed to it lmao:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ron-desantis-celebrates-dont-say-gay-settlement-that-lets-lgbtq-issues-be-discussed-in-classrooms

[7,052,770]

Good.

DeSantis and the anti-woke brigade can pound salt.

DeSantis agreed to it lmao:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ron-desantis-celebrates-dont-say-gay-settlement-that-lets-lgbtq-issues-be-discussed-in-classrooms

Good for the activists for bringing him to heel! His Raichikist-Walshist ideology of hatred, violence, anti-parents, and anti-family won some battles over the last couple years, but even he sees that it won't win the war.

[T'Chenka]

Good.

DeSantis and the anti-woke brigade can pound salt.

DeSantis agreed to it lmao:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ron-desantis-celebrates-dont-say-gay-settlement-that-lets-lgbtq-issues-be-discussed-in-classrooms

They tried to go as extreme as possible, and the courts only let them go half-way. It's still overall a victory for them and much more in the direction of what they wanted overall, just not as much as they would have wanted in a perfect world. It makes perfect sense why DeSantis would still be overall happy about the end result... and he can still pound salt.

[brucejoel99]

Good.

DeSantis and the anti-woke brigade can pound salt.

DeSantis agreed to it lmao:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ron-desantis-celebrates-dont-say-gay-settlement-that-lets-lgbtq-issues-be-discussed-in-classrooms

Because they clearly thought that they were definitely gonna lose in court on vagueness grounds. The state evidently re-evaluated its position from an initial "we can defend this law in court as constitutional & win" at the outset of the suit to "it's clear we're gonna lose if this case goes ahead so let's settle every substantive matter before us in the plaintiff's favor so we can at least technically claim to the public that we didn't lose in court." This honestly may have been the approach from the outset: they were always gonna inevitably lose no matter what, but they at least already got as much effective time as they could get out of using the law to play to the base.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

Good.

DeSantis and the anti-woke brigade can pound salt.

DeSantis agreed to it lmao:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ron-desantis-celebrates-dont-say-gay-settlement-that-lets-lgbtq-issues-be-discussed-in-classrooms

DeSantis made this mess. If he agreed to completely scrap the absurd thing and implement LGBT inclusion programs, I’d give him credit. He doesn’t get praise for being less terrible

[Landslide Lyndon]

I guess now that he did a faceplant in the primary Meatball Ron decided that there is no more reason to bash the gays.

[DaleCooper]

I think DeSantis might be almost single-handedly responsible for destroying any momentum that Republicans should've had in 2022, even more than the pro-insurrection people. He basically made bullying children and opposition to the First Amendment the 2022 Republican platform. I think that might even be more off-putting to most voters than the pro-life crap.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I think DeSantis might be almost single-handedly responsible for destroying any momentum that Republicans should've had in 2022, even more than the pro-insurrection people. He basically made bullying children and opposition to the First Amendment the 2022 Republican platform. I think that might even be more off-putting to most voters than the pro-life crap.

What ,

DeSantis won a massive landslide in 2022 and was polling showed this so called controversial bill to be popular

[DaleCooper]

I think DeSantis might be almost single-handedly responsible for destroying any momentum that Republicans should've had in 2022, even more than the pro-insurrection people. He basically made bullying children and opposition to the First Amendment the 2022 Republican platform. I think that might even be more off-putting to most voters than the pro-life crap.

What ,

DeSantis won a massive landslide in 2022 and was polling showed this so called controversial bill to be popular

He did, but he won the massive landslide in an uncivilized sh-thole state. Of course Floridians who say the pledge of allegiance before bingo night are going to like this crap.

As for the polls, I don't know what to say, they're just f-cking fake. I don't know how many more polls need to be wildly off before we can write off this dreadful industry.

[Sestak]

Rob! surrenders again.

[Santander]

He did, but he won the massive landslide in an uncivilized sh-thole state. Of course Floridians who say the pledge of allegiance before bingo night are going to like this crap.

😂🤣😂

[Dan the Roman]

I think DeSantis might be almost single-handedly responsible for destroying any momentum that Republicans should've had in 2022, even more than the pro-insurrection people. He basically made bullying children and opposition to the First Amendment the 2022 Republican platform. I think that might even be more off-putting to most voters than the pro-life crap.

What ,

DeSantis won a massive landslide in 2022 and was polling showed this so called controversial bill to be popular

He did, but he won the massive landslide in an uncivilized sh-thole state. Of course Floridians who say the pledge of allegiance before bingo night are going to like this crap.

As for the polls, I don't know what to say, they're just f-cking fake. I don't know how many more polls need to be wildly off before we can write off this dreadful industry.

I think this is similar to SSM where views of a movement are different from views of an issue.

"Trans Activist" and now the very term "LGBT" have started to poll poorly not because people want X law, but because they are associated with corporate HR seminars that cause millions of Americans to suffer PTSD flashbacks.

As a gay man, I now have a viscerally negative reaction to the term "LGBT+" and especially things like "non-binary" or "two-spirit" because I instantly imagine an extremely annoying white woman giving a patronizing PowerPoint.

DeSantis conflated opposition to "indoctrination" in other words the limited reality and exaggerated perceptions of the corporate diversity HR industry setting their sights on public education as a future market, with actual hostility to gays, lesbians, or trans kids. But people never had an issue with any of them. It was with the grifters who charged exorbitant consulting fees under the guise of "inclusive programing" to design lesson plans or give presentations. When he stepped beyond it, support melted away.

[Del Tachi]

Good.

DeSantis and the anti-woke brigade can pound salt.

DeSantis agreed to it lmao:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ron-desantis-celebrates-dont-say-gay-settlement-that-lets-lgbtq-issues-be-discussed-in-classrooms

They tried to go as extreme as possible, and the courts only let them go half-way. It's still overall a victory for them and much more in the direction of what they wanted overall, just not as much as they would have wanted in a perfect world. It makes perfect sense why DeSantis would still be overall happy about the end result... and he can still pound salt.

No.  This settlement reflects how the law was written and meant to be enforced.  Liberals overreacted (as they always do) and this outcome simply codifies what the law was really always about: no classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I think DeSantis might be almost single-handedly responsible for destroying any momentum that Republicans should've had in 2022, even more than the pro-insurrection people. He basically made bullying children and opposition to the First Amendment the 2022 Republican platform. I think that might even be more off-putting to most voters than the pro-life crap.

What ,

DeSantis won a massive landslide in 2022 and was polling showed this so called controversial bill to be popular

He did, but he won the massive landslide in an uncivilized sh-thole state. Of course Floridians who say the pledge of allegiance before bingo night are going to like this crap.

As for the polls, I don't know what to say, they're just f-cking fake. I don't know how many more polls need to be wildly off before we can write off this dreadful industry.

I think this is similar to SSM where views of a movement are different from views of an issue.

"Trans Activist" and now the very term "LGBT" have started to poll poorly not because people want X law, but because they are associated with corporate HR seminars that cause millions of Americans to suffer PTSD flashbacks.

As a gay man, I now have a viscerally negative reaction to the term "LGBT+" and especially things like "non-binary" or "two-spirit" because I instantly imagine an extremely annoying white woman giving a patronizing PowerPoint.

DeSantis conflated opposition to "indoctrination" in other words the limited reality and exaggerated perceptions of the corporate diversity HR industry setting their sights on public education as a future market, with actual hostility to gays, lesbians, or trans kids. But people never had an issue with any of them. It was with the grifters who charged exorbitant consulting fees under the guise of "inclusive programing" to design lesson plans or give presentations. When he stepped beyond it, support melted away.

This kind of reminds me of why politically unattuned centrist people are much less likely to have a negative reaction to the term "woke" than center-left people who pay much closer attention.

To the former group, "woke" is some generic slur that groups like TurningPoint USA use against anything they don't like and this often just means things like "movies that star black people", they sound ridiculous so it's not surprising centrists and generally apolitical people find that.

To higher-info center-left people, it's more aligned with an extremely obnoxious brand of mostly online leftist activism that quite frankly manages to offput basically every singe person who isn't a strict adherent of that specific thing as well as corporate DEI type things and really annoying buzzwords. Nate Silver has spent much of his post-538 time decrying this despite being firmly center-left his whole career and still is. But an apolitical type or typical swing voter isn't going to know much about Robin DiAngelo or Saira Rao or any of the many anime/picrew avatars spouting similar things to care about it.

That being said, the Republicans thanks primarily to Ron DeSantis have kind of forfeited any advantage they could get from this, at least in the short term, because DeSantis basically did the same thing in the opposite direction with these type of laws, which obviously is going to scare the soccer mom type voters more than some anime avatar saying weird things about privilege. Now the Republicans are seeing as the authoritarian side in the culture war, and that side pretty much always loses. (Look at previous LGBT issues, marijuana, pornography, or even Prohibition going back that far.)

The other big factor that I think tanked the woke boogeyman was Elon Musk taking over Twitter, because even if the max exodus from the site hasn't quite happened (yet), it did deflate its overall importance and credibility, and might've encouraged a lot of the anime avatars to touch grass and evolve into normie libs (somewhat anecdotal on that, but there's evidence.) Leftist activism today can still be very obnoxious and offputting (see countless examples of Gaza protestors) but now it is in a way that seems different from ~2015-2021, and actually is just reminiscent of pre-2015ish.

[Ferguson97]

No.  This ruling reflects how the law was written and meant to be enforced.  Liberals overreacted (as they always do) and this outcome simply codifies what the law was really always about: no classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity.

It’s genuinely pathetic how much water you carry for a party that hates you.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Enforcing a law according to a narrow interpretation isn't gutting it, that's what you are supposed to do with laws. It's only due to activist prosecutors, lawyers, bureaucrats, and judges that laws are interpreted expansively.

[Del Tachi]

No.  This ruling reflects how the law was written and meant to be enforced.  Liberals overreacted (as they always do) and this outcome simply codifies what the law was really always about: no classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity.

It’s genuinely pathetic how much water you carry for a party that hates you.

It's pretty pathetic how you always post personal attacks and can't debate actual issues with a semblance of nuance.

[DrScholl]

No.  This ruling reflects how the law was written and meant to be enforced.  Liberals overreacted (as they always do) and this outcome simply codifies what the law was really always about: no classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity.

It’s genuinely pathetic how much water you carry for a party that hates you.

It's pretty pathetic how you always post personal attacks and can't debate actual issues with a semblance of nuance.

It's not a personal attack to state what is factual. Go run for Republican Central Committee or whatever you have in Mississippi as openly gay and see what happens.

[Del Tachi]

No.  This ruling reflects how the law was written and meant to be enforced.  Liberals overreacted (as they always do) and this outcome simply codifies what the law was really always about: no classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity.

It’s genuinely pathetic how much water you carry for a party that hates you.

It's pretty pathetic how you always post personal attacks and can't debate actual issues with a semblance of nuance.

It's not a personal attack to state what is factual. Go run for Republican Central Committee or whatever you have in Mississippi as openly gay and see what happens.

How do you know I'm not already imbedded in MS-GOP politics?

It is not factual that I "carry water" for a party that "hates" me.  Both of those assertions are obviously a matter of opinion.

[OSR stands with Israel]

No.  This ruling reflects how the law was written and meant to be enforced.  Liberals overreacted (as they always do) and this outcome simply codifies what the law was really always about: no classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity.

It’s genuinely pathetic how much water you carry for a party that hates you.

Lol

[7,052,770]

No.  This ruling reflects how the law was written and meant to be enforced.  Liberals overreacted (as they always do) and this outcome simply codifies what the law was really always about: no classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity.

It’s genuinely pathetic how much water you carry for a party that hates you.

It's pretty pathetic how you always post personal attacks and can't debate actual issues with a semblance of nuance.

It's not a personal attack to state what is factual. Go run for Republican Central Committee or whatever you have in Mississippi as openly gay and see what happens.

How do you know I'm not already imbedded in MS-GOP politics?

It is not factual that I "carry water" for a party that "hates" me.  Both of those assertions are obviously a matter of opinion.

I thought his use of "carry water" was a pretty obvious reference to one of your own most well-known posts, right?

[DrScholl]

No.  This ruling reflects how the law was written and meant to be enforced.  Liberals overreacted (as they always do) and this outcome simply codifies what the law was really always about: no classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity.

It’s genuinely pathetic how much water you carry for a party that hates you.

It's pretty pathetic how you always post personal attacks and can't debate actual issues with a semblance of nuance.

It's not a personal attack to state what is factual. Go run for Republican Central Committee or whatever you have in Mississippi as openly gay and see what happens.

How do you know I'm not already imbedded in MS-GOP politics?

It is not factual that I "carry water" for a party that "hates" me.  Both of those assertions are obviously a matter of opinion.

Perhaps it is inaccurate. In part Wiktionary defines carrying water as supporting an organization or cause that one does not fully support and I have no doubt that you fully support the GOP.

And assuming that you do hold an position in the state or local GOP did you actually tell them that you are gay?