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« on: March 09, 2024, 07:35:44 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2024, 07:40:38 PM »

Furthest north southern city; Baltimore
Furthest south northern city; Palm Beach, Florida
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2024, 02:35:55 PM »

Baltimore and New Orleans
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2024, 02:43:47 PM »

Louisville and Orlando.
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2024, 04:04:53 PM »

Most Southern "Northern" City: Somewhere on the island of Hawaii

Most Northern "Southern" City: Branson, MO
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2024, 05:58:52 PM »


You've said this a few times about New Orleans since it has a very large Euro immigrant history, but how does that apply to NoLa and not Baltimore?
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2024, 12:12:03 AM »

Honolulu and Baltimore

(alternatives if Baltimore doesn't count: Washington, Alexandria, Louisville)

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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2024, 08:03:57 AM »

Geographically furthest south northern city: Wilmington (small city) or Philly

Geographically furthest north southern city: Baltimore
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2024, 11:53:38 AM »


You've said this a few times about New Orleans since it has a very large Euro immigrant history, but how does that apply to NoLa and not Baltimore?

It does.  NOLA/Baltimore are maybe the two most similar cities in the country (from a typological perspective) so it's reasonable to say they both include a very healthy mix of Yankee/Dixie attitudes.
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2024, 03:12:27 PM »

I have to disagree with the classification of Baltimore as a Southern city.

There's certain Southern elements present in the city, especially before the mass immigration of 1870-1914; but it's definitely a Mid-Atlantic city, and therefore of the Northeast.
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2024, 05:39:39 PM »

I'm going to take a different approach to this than most people so far. To me, the furthest north Southern city would be a city that is unmistakably in The South, and the most uncontroversial definition of The South is the states of the Confederacy. So when you look at the Confederacy, the furthest north part was the very northern tip of Virginia. It appears that the largest city in that area is Winchester, home of Patsy Cline. So I'm going to say the furthest north Southern city is Winchester, Virginia.

The furthest south Northern city would be the reverse of this, it would be the furthest south point in the free Union states. Not the slave states that supported the Union, but the free Union states. And the southernmost point there is Cairo, Illinois. So Cairo, Illinois would be the furthest south Northern city.
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2024, 06:59:45 PM »

The furthest south Northern city would be the reverse of this, it would be the furthest south point in the free Union states. Not the slave states that supported the Union, but the free Union states. And the southernmost point there is Cairo, Illinois. So Cairo, Illinois would be the furthest south Northern city.

Is there some reason you're leaving out California, or did you just forget? It seems to me that San Diego would be the actual answer to the bolded section.
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2024, 07:10:20 PM »

Morgantown and Tucson?/Cincinnati?
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2024, 07:25:24 PM »

The furthest south Northern city would be the reverse of this, it would be the furthest south point in the free Union states. Not the slave states that supported the Union, but the free Union states. And the southernmost point there is Cairo, Illinois. So Cairo, Illinois would be the furthest south Northern city.

Is there some reason you're leaving out California, or did you just forget? It seems to me that San Diego would be the actual answer to the bolded section.

I forgot the west coast figured in the Civil War at all.
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« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2024, 11:55:46 AM »

The furthest south Northern city would be the reverse of this, it would be the furthest south point in the free Union states. Not the slave states that supported the Union, but the free Union states. And the southernmost point there is Cairo, Illinois. So Cairo, Illinois would be the furthest south Northern city.

Is there some reason you're leaving out California, or did you just forget? It seems to me that San Diego would be the actual answer to the bolded section.

When people think of the "North" in the civil war sense, they usually just meant the Midwest and Northeast. Though by 1861 San Francisco was very much a city, and very much a Northern City at that.

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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2024, 06:19:36 PM »


Which is which?
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2024, 06:24:46 PM »

I'm going to take a different approach to this than most people so far. To me, the furthest north Southern city would be a city that is unmistakably in The South, and the most uncontroversial definition of The South is the states of the Confederacy. So when you look at the Confederacy, the furthest north part was the very northern tip of Virginia. It appears that the largest city in that area is Winchester, home of Patsy Cline. So I'm going to say the furthest north Southern city is Winchester, Virginia.

The furthest south Northern city would be the reverse of this, it would be the furthest south point in the free Union states. Not the slave states that supported the Union, but the free Union states. And the southernmost point there is Cairo, Illinois. So Cairo, Illinois would be the furthest south Northern city.

Cairo could arguably be considered a culturally Southern city, as could Carbondale, IL, given that they both comfortably fall within the Dixie-adjacent "Little Egypt" region.
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