SB 120-01: ABCMA Amendment Reintroduction Act (Debating)

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ABCMA Amendment Reintroduction Act

1. SB 113-21, also known as "ABCMA Amendment Act," is hereby restored in its entirety and the treaty is restored to this state

The following amendments will be added to SB 113-21 when re-activated.

2. Any existing player registered in Wales, Gibralter, Northern Ireland, Scotland or England will be auto-moved to the largest populated state in its subregion.

3. This act shall be in no way interpreted to deny someone's voting rights in the republic of Atlasia

Prefiling

Should not cause issues again, since no-one is registered in England, Wales, Northern Ireland & Scotland at the moment and the one user in Gibraltar wants to deregister and will probably do this today or tomorrow. I think with a declining base, it makes no sense to further split the voter base in more states. It's not realistic.

Other than that, the treaty with the UK remains in place. It just removes the registration burden and there'll be no issues since no-one will be registered in any of those states.

Sponsor: Reagente

Debate has commenced and the Senator is recognized.

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

we undid this for a reason, I don't see any reason to backtrack on it.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

It's stupid, and nobody is registered in gibraltar, scotland, northern ireland or wales at the moment. Besides we have a hard time filling the already available states, since nobody even cares about it. And to create maps it's also annoying to include those (which is never done, even when you create your maps).

Even if someone happens to be registered in it (which currently they aren't), i have added a solution as well. The only reason it was reintroduced last time was because of Lumine who has deregistered again.

[YE]

This is a waste of energy honestly. I sorta get not being for it originally though a part of me thinks we should add Canada back to the game like it was pre re-set and as Adam Griffin campaigned on twice post re-set.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

This is a waste of energy honestly. I sorta get not being for it originally though a part of me thinks we should add Canada back to the game like it was pre re-set and as Adam Griffin campaigned on twice post re-set.

Canada makes a lot more sense than the UK

Though i don't think it's a waste of time (it barely wastes anyone's time), unless serving in the senate of Atlasia is considered a waste of time, in which my response would be: "why did you take the job?". Other than that, again no-one is in registered in the UK atm, so this doesn't change anything that other than making the game a bit more realistic.

[Joseph Cao]

I am trying to speak from a purely game-mechanics perspective here. "Filling the already available states" isn't a problem that needs to be legislated away.

(1) It's in-game, not some pressing policy issue, and (2) with the greatest respect for you and Scott I don't think anyone else has given much thought to this supposed source of anguish. Save Our States had the right idea because it was a private org that campaigned for it, generated activity, got elected representatives to listen, and as a matter of game structure I consider all that much better than a law that changes someone's registration without telling them.

Also, surely if you wanted to fix that particular problem you'd auto-move them to the least populated state in a subregion, not the most?

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Also, surely if you wanted to fix that particular problem you'd auto-move them to the least populated state in a subregion, not the most?

I've thought about that as well, but the issue is that this might lead to confusion because it's much more likely that there would be a tie or that it would be less clear what the least populated state in a subregion is. I also had in mind for it to be the state that is the largest population-wise IRL to avoid ties. That is the simple reason. Obviously i'm a big advocate for populating all states, it's part of the reason i'm even introducing this since we have a major issue even populating all of them. The main thing we should avoid is potentially deregistering people by doing this (though again, at this moment nobody is registered in Britain, so passing this wouldn't even lead to a change). Allowing registration in the UK makes sense if you have an active game with 300+ people but that's not the case at this moment. Decrease in scope and complexity makes sense in this regard.

[Joseph Cao]

Obviously i'm a big advocate for populating all states, it's part of the reason i'm even introducing this since we have a major issue even populating all of them.

Okay, so assign them to one of the states with zero population by flipping a coin or whatever. There's ways around that if the goal really is to populate all states. You'd have to do something like that anyway if there's a tie for the largest state, the point is that shouldn't be an obstacle for what you want to do.

But again, I am reiterating I don't think this is an issue that needs to be legislated away, especially not a manner that lacks transparency like this one.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Obviously i'm a big advocate for populating all states, it's part of the reason i'm even introducing this since we have a major issue even populating all of them.

Okay, so assign them to one of the states with zero population by flipping a coin or whatever. There's ways around that if the goal really is to populate all states. You'd have to do something like that anyway if there's a tie for the largest state, the point is that shouldn't be an obstacle for what you want to do.

But again, I am reiterating I don't think this is an issue that needs to be legislated away, especially not a manner that lacks transparency like this one.

At the moment it wouldn't create an issue since nobody is registered in any of those states. Obviously, those (hypothetical) people would be informed that their state registration was changed.

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With the resignation of Laki from the Senate, sponsorship of this bill is currently vacant. Are there any members among us who would like to take up the role of sponsor?

[reagente]

I will assume sponsorship.

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Reagente is recognized as the new sponsor, and debate resumes.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

motion for a final vote

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With the disputed legal circumstances of Dwarven Dragon's status as Senator, plus his subsequent resignation and statements, it is my capacity as PPT to declare yesterday's motion as not in legitimate standing. I will, however, formally motion for a final vote at this time to clear up any ambiguity. 24 hours for objections.