Is there anywhere in America city centers vote to the right of their suburbs?
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« on: March 03, 2024, 10:30:50 AM »

In a lot of countries, especially developing ones, there is a tendency for city centers to vote to the right of their suburbs. However due to obvious differences in socioeconomic settlement patterns in the US, this is less of a thing here. But is there any city (or even town) where the suburbs as a whole vote to the left of the center?
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2024, 10:59:20 AM »
« Edited: March 03, 2024, 11:05:10 AM by RI »

Generally no, but there are some minor examples which almost entirely involve atypical ethnic variations. In the Rio Grande Valley (at least until 2020) and parts of west Texas, you sometimes saw the urban cores of cities such as McAllen vote to the right of the surrounding suburbs/rural areas as the core was more white while the suburbs were more Hispanic. I believe there are some smaller towns in Arizona and New Mexico where the same applies but with Native Americans instead of Hispanics.

It's possible there may be some ski counties where this holds or areas in LDS country (perhaps Rexburg at some point?). I think this may happen in Honolulu sometimes? You might count Westminster in California, maybe?

Depending on your definitions, you could count Hialeah and the Cuban areas there, or some of the Orthodox Jewish areas in New York and New Jersey. Lakewood or Kiryas Joel, for example, could count.
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2024, 11:08:24 AM »

You have cases like Austin and Houston where the immediate downtowns vote to the right of suburbs, largely because the suburbs are more non-white.

Honestly race is still a huge factor in how communities vote so any city with a whiter downtown and notable black and maybe Hispanic suburbs fits this category.

When you adjust for race, still probably Austin - a few of its downtown precincts are surprisingly close.

Maybe Seattle but you’re talking D+80 vs D+90 suburbs

Tbh this question depends on how broadly one defines “city center”.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2024, 11:41:11 AM »

As stated, this depends upon how one defines the city center. But in the most simplistic way, the answer is Las Vegas. Even if we don't want to count it under said simplistic definition, it reveals why such a pattern of human geography is rare in the US.

The City of Las Vegas is equivalent to or in some cases less Dem than the rest of the built up area. And that built up area includes Henderson, a obvious Republican anchor. Removing that makes the division obvious.

There are two reasons for this. The first part is the City has a large GOP section in the northwest. The second reason though is that Vegas is a newer metro and a fast growing one. That has allowed the city to somewhat avoid the older self-segregated patterns of settlement. It also means a heterogenous pattern of settlement with all types of people just buying whatever gets built. This is part of the reason why the state has a massive Dem geographic advantage: Heterogenous population distributions within a Dem area means there are a lot of natural 55-45 Dem areas with wasted GOP votes.
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2024, 12:14:01 PM »

You can make a CD with Boston that votes to the right of the route 2 suburbs/cities. Not exactly what you were talking about, but Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Atlanta, etc. have close to downtown areas that are much more GOP friendly from wealth and race. Even Chicago has this to an extent where the loop and Lincoln park are not anti-GOP that much. Rauner, Kirk were competitive and then Vallas dominated these areas.
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2024, 02:31:40 PM »

Somerville/Cambridge in the case of Boston. Somerville skews younger and has a large artist population which I believe is a Democratic group, while Cambridge is very progressive for obvious reasons.
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2024, 02:41:54 PM »

You can make a CD with Boston that votes to the right of the route 2 suburbs/cities. Not exactly what you were talking about, but Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Atlanta, etc. have close to downtown areas that are much more GOP friendly from wealth and race. Even Chicago has this to an extent where the loop and Lincoln park are not anti-GOP that much. Rauner, Kirk were competitive and then Vallas dominated these areas.
Highland Park is in Dallas off of 75 inside of 635 that easily fits your description.
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2024, 07:52:12 PM »

Really depends on the definition of the center cuty and also if you mean suburbs as a whole?   Or if it has some of its suburbs that vote to the left of the center city core
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2024, 08:11:00 PM »

Another underrated one I thought of is Chicago, where the immediate downtown Loup/Magnificant Mile precincts voted to the right of the near north side which is demographically simillar when it comes to things like race and educational attainment. The further north you go, the bluer it gets until you pass Evanston
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