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buritobr
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« on: February 28, 2024, 05:18:08 PM »

If God has power to interfere in the events of the universe, can he/she decide the candidates who win elections?

In a weak intervention power, God cannot choose all winners, but he/she can create events, like natural disasters, which can influence the voter's decisions. In a strong intervention power, God can manipulate the mind of the voters, and, so, choose the winning candidates.

For those who believe in God, do you think God has these powers?

Consider the case of the US. If we consider that God has the strong power to choose the winners, we need to assume that God doesn't have always preference for democrats or always preference for republicans, since both democratic and republican candidates have already won. If all the winning candidates were decided by God, we need to agree that sometimes he/she prefered the democrats, sometimes he/she prefered the republicans. Although republicans speak about God more often, it doesn't mean that God will always prefer republicans. He/she might be angry sometimes about the use of his/her name.
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2024, 10:16:33 AM »

If God created all reality and exists outside time, clearly this entails that He set in motion the conditions that would lead to the results of all elections throughout all of history. There's no need for further intervention (in fact, any divine intervention in human affairs after the act of creation, including all miracles, is metaphysically superfluous, unless we imagine God has some ulterior reason to demonstrate His power).
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2024, 02:16:43 PM »

If God created all reality and exists outside time, clearly this entails that He set in motion the conditions that would lead to the results of all elections throughout all of history. There's no need for further intervention (in fact, any divine intervention in human affairs after the act of creation, including all miracles, is metaphysically superfluous, unless we imagine God has some ulterior reason to demonstrate His power).

In addition, as an unfathomable being existing outside of the Universe itself, God is ALWAYS doing everything He has ever done in one timeless instant.
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2024, 08:07:36 PM »

If God created all reality and exists outside time, clearly this entails that He set in motion the conditions that would lead to the results of all elections throughout all of history. There's no need for further intervention (in fact, any divine intervention in human affairs after the act of creation, including all miracles, is metaphysically superfluous, unless we imagine God has some ulterior reason to demonstrate His power).

The attempt to concile God and science make the God who just created the laws of the nature, but doesn't interfere in the universe anymore. If God created only the gravity and the way protons, neutrons and electrons interract, it doesn't mean that he can decide if Trump or Biden will win.
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2024, 11:33:03 PM »

If God created all reality and exists outside time, clearly this entails that He set in motion the conditions that would lead to the results of all elections throughout all of history. There's no need for further intervention (in fact, any divine intervention in human affairs after the act of creation, including all miracles, is metaphysically superfluous, unless we imagine God has some ulterior reason to demonstrate His power).

The attempt to concile God and science make the God who just created the laws of the nature, but doesn't interfere in the universe anymore. If God created only the gravity and the way protons, neutrons and electrons interract, it doesn't mean that he can decide if Trump or Biden will win.

If God is omniscient, then just creating the elementary particles and the ways they interact together implies the outcome of every election ever. God must have known that changing things around ever so slightly would result in one candidate or the other winning. So the original act of creation is sufficient to explain all of divine will unfolding throughout history.
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2024, 01:05:40 AM »

If God created all reality and exists outside time, clearly this entails that He set in motion the conditions that would lead to the results of all elections throughout all of history. There's no need for further intervention (in fact, any divine intervention in human affairs after the act of creation, including all miracles, is metaphysically superfluous, unless we imagine God has some ulterior reason to demonstrate His power).

The attempt to concile God and science make the God who just created the laws of the nature, but doesn't interfere in the universe anymore. If God created only the gravity and the way protons, neutrons and electrons interract, it doesn't mean that he can decide if Trump or Biden will win.

If God is omniscient, then just creating the elementary particles and the ways they interact together implies the outcome of every election ever. God must have known that changing things around ever so slightly would result in one candidate or the other winning. So the original act of creation is sufficient to explain all of divine will unfolding throughout history.

This line of argument would imply predestination right?
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2024, 02:30:21 AM »

If God created all reality and exists outside time, clearly this entails that He set in motion the conditions that would lead to the results of all elections throughout all of history. There's no need for further intervention (in fact, any divine intervention in human affairs after the act of creation, including all miracles, is metaphysically superfluous, unless we imagine God has some ulterior reason to demonstrate His power).

The attempt to concile God and science make the God who just created the laws of the nature, but doesn't interfere in the universe anymore. If God created only the gravity and the way protons, neutrons and electrons interract, it doesn't mean that he can decide if Trump or Biden will win.

If God is omniscient, then just creating the elementary particles and the ways they interact together implies the outcome of every election ever. God must have known that changing things around ever so slightly would result in one candidate or the other winning. So the original act of creation is sufficient to explain all of divine will unfolding throughout history.

This line of argument would imply predestination right?

Depending on how broadly or narrowly you want to define it, sure. It doesn't mean we have no control over our actions, of course, but if God is truly omniscient then he must know what we'll decide before we do (in fact before we even exist).
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2024, 01:09:53 PM »

Yes.

The better question is whether such power is exercised or not.
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2024, 09:41:00 PM »

Yes. God literally has absolute power in the most literal, absolute way over absolutely everything.
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