Does Justin Trudeau secretly want Donald Trump to win?

[SnowLabrador]

I lean towards yes. Think about it: The Canadian election won't be held until 2025. While I maintain that the Liberals will win no matter what once people realize just how insane Pierre Poilievre is, this will be put in starker relief when Trump is elected in November in the US. A Trump victory could only help Trudeau in Canada, since he'll be seen as necessary to put a check on Trump on the international stage, much like he was during Trump's first term.

That being said, the Liberals will win anyway, polling just doesn't reflect that yet.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Yes

[CumbrianLefty]

In reality, he's probably torn. Surely he despises Trump as much as other rational people do.

[Bernie Derangement Syndrome Haver]

How are you simultaneously so pessimistic about the US and optimistic about Canada? The Liberals are INSANELY unpopular. Biden is more likely to win again than Trudeau, and Canada has its fair share of crazies (and Poilievre doesn't even come close to matching Trump's level of insanity).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

No Canadian federal election has ever been determined by the result of an American Presidential election, at least not directly. Not everything is about you.

[SnowLabrador]

How are you simultaneously so pessimistic about the US and optimistic about Canada? The Liberals are INSANELY unpopular. Biden is more likely to win again than Trudeau, and Canada has its fair share of crazies (and Poilievre doesn't even come close to matching Trump's level of insanity).

Canadians hate the United States, not without reason. They'll do whatever we don't do, because we live rent-free in their heads. Again, they have a right to hate us, everything is so much better up there.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

How are you simultaneously so pessimistic about the US and optimistic about Canada? The Liberals are INSANELY unpopular. Biden is more likely to win again than Trudeau, and Canada has its fair share of crazies (and Poilievre doesn't even come close to matching Trump's level of insanity).

Canadians hate the United States, not without reason. They'll do whatever we don't do, because we live rent-free in their heads. Again, they have a right to hate us, everything is so much better up there.

You are clueless about this topic. You have no idea the depth of hopelessness young people are feeling in this country. Put two millennials in a room and it will take less than five minutes before they start talking about how f-cked they are because of the state of the housing market. It’s significantly worse here than it is in the United States.

[Independents for Nihilism]

I never respected Trudeau more than when he successfully countered Trump's weird handshake yank. Obviously this is less about being able to stand up to Trump in NAFTA talks and more about tying Poilievre to him, though I think the way to thread the needle on that is to compare Poilievre to the weird and offputting Trump sycophants like JD Vance or Josh Hawley, more than Trump himself.

[Bernie Derangement Syndrome Haver]

How are you simultaneously so pessimistic about the US and optimistic about Canada? The Liberals are INSANELY unpopular. Biden is more likely to win again than Trudeau, and Canada has its fair share of crazies (and Poilievre doesn't even come close to matching Trump's level of insanity).

Canadians hate the United States, not without reason. They'll do whatever we don't do, because we live rent-free in their heads. Again, they have a right to hate us, everything is so much better up there.

Sure, Canada doesn't have the South, but that's painting the whole country with a very broad brush and ironically is a very ignorant American statement to make.

[Upper Canada Tory]

How are you simultaneously so pessimistic about the US and optimistic about Canada? The Liberals are INSANELY unpopular. Biden is more likely to win again than Trudeau, and Canada has its fair share of crazies (and Poilievre doesn't even come close to matching Trump's level of insanity).

Canadians hate the United States, not without reason. They'll do whatever we don't do, because we live rent-free in their heads. Again, they have a right to hate us, everything is so much better up there.

Canadians don't hate the United States - public opinion of the US in Canada is overwhelmingly favourable, moreso than in most other Western countries.

As others have said, US elections don't determine Canadian election results. For example, Harper won in 2006 despite Bush having won in 2004 and being the right wing boogeyman of the time that Harper was compared to.

Canadians typically get tired of the government in power roughly every 10 years and elect a new one - especially so with the current Liberal government as Trudeau has mismanaged and worsened multiple ongoing crises in the country.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

How are you simultaneously so pessimistic about the US and optimistic about Canada? The Liberals are INSANELY unpopular. Biden is more likely to win again than Trudeau, and Canada has its fair share of crazies (and Poilievre doesn't even come close to matching Trump's level of insanity).

Canadians hate the United States, not without reason. They'll do whatever we don't do, because we live rent-free in their heads. Again, they have a right to hate us, everything is so much better up there.

Canadians don't hate the United States - public opinion of the US in Canada is overwhelmingly favourable, moreso than most other Western countries.

As others have said, US elections don't determine Canadian election results. For example, Harper won in 2006 despite Bush having won in 2004 and being the right wing boogeyman of the time that Harper was compared to.

Canadians typically get tired of the government in power roughly every 10 years and elect a new one - especially with the current Liberal government as Trudeau has mismanaged and worsened multiple ongoing crises in the country.

Look at who you are replying to.

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

At this point, it really doesn't make a difference. Trudeau needs to stop the bleeding first. Canadians are broadly dissatisfied with the current government, and Liberal support is going directly to the Conservatives. The Liberals have been in a constant decline and their floor just seems to keep getting lower and lower. Same goes for Trudeau's approval ratings, although that's kind of a distinction without a difference, because the Liberal Party of Canada is heavily tied to Justin Trudeau's brand and vice versa. He's holding the floor in Quebec (which I think is why the party is still very united around an objectively very unpopular leader - Quebec is a very tricky province politically, Trudeau has a proven record of comfortably delivering 30+ Quebec seats to the Liberals, and the Liberals are still competitive in Quebec), but outside of Quebec, they have a serious credibility gap to make up right now. This is the state of affairs:



Some people seem to think that his gameplan is to use Trump as a club to hit Poilievre over the head with. It wouldn't be a surprising tactic, he used Doug Ford to hit Scheer over the head, and he used antivaxxers to hit O'Toole over the head, both times quite effectively. But in those elections, the Liberals were neck-and-neck with the CPC in the popular vote, and comfortably in minority territory seat-wise. Right now, the Liberals are in landslide defeat territory. Donald Trump is not the biggest issue in Canada, for Christ's sake. He's an issue, of course, but the things that are really hurting Trudeau are issues related to the economy, affordability, that kind of thing. And things are bad. Don't take my word for it, take Trudeau's, even he says things are bad in Canada right now. Donald Trump is not the main motivator for Canadian voters, he needs to improve on the issues that ARE the main motivators.

But let's say Trudeau turns things around. Maybe the new social programs are really popular, maybe the economy gets better, maybe Poilievre strangles a cat, it doesn't really matter. If the goal is to use Donald Trump to get re-elected, you also have to consider that Donald Trump is a considerably less predictable international partner than Joe Biden is. I mean, if Trudeau's motive behind wanting Trump to win is he thinks it's gonna get him re-elected, he also has to think about why that is. Donald Trump does what Donald Trump wants. His people don't speak the same language that Biden's people and Trudeau's people speak. There's just no scenario where Donald Trump is easier to deal with than Joe Biden, none. And right now, when the government already has so much on its plate, the last thing they need is to add Donald Trump to the plate.

[Upper Canada Tory]

How are you simultaneously so pessimistic about the US and optimistic about Canada? The Liberals are INSANELY unpopular. Biden is more likely to win again than Trudeau, and Canada has its fair share of crazies (and Poilievre doesn't even come close to matching Trump's level of insanity).

Canadians hate the United States, not without reason. They'll do whatever we don't do, because we live rent-free in their heads. Again, they have a right to hate us, everything is so much better up there.

Canadians don't hate the United States - public opinion of the US in Canada is overwhelmingly favourable, moreso than most other Western countries.

As others have said, US elections don't determine Canadian election results. For example, Harper won in 2006 despite Bush having won in 2004 and being the right wing boogeyman of the time that Harper was compared to.

Canadians typically get tired of the government in power roughly every 10 years and elect a new one - especially with the current Liberal government as Trudeau has mismanaged and worsened multiple ongoing crises in the country.

Look at who you are replying to.

I get your point, but 'Canadians hate the United States' and 'US election results determine Canadian election results' is mythology I regularly hear people repeat, so I felt the need to correct it.

[Upper Canada Tory]

At this point, it really doesn't make a difference. Trudeau needs to stop the bleeding first. Canadians are broadly dissatisfied with the current government, and Liberal support is going directly to the Conservatives. The Liberals have been in a constant decline and their floor just seems to keep getting lower and lower. Same goes for Trudeau's approval ratings, although that's kind of a distinction without a difference, because the Liberal Party of Canada is heavily tied to Justin Trudeau's brand and vice versa. He's holding the floor in Quebec (which I think is why the party is still very united around an objectively very unpopular leader - Quebec is a very tricky province politically, Trudeau has a proven record of comfortably delivering 30+ Quebec seats to the Liberals, and the Liberals are still competitive in Quebec), but outside of Quebec, they have a serious credibility gap to make up right now. This is the state of affairs:



Some people seem to think that his gameplan is to use Trump as a club to hit Poilievre over the head with. It wouldn't be a surprising tactic, he used Doug Ford to hit Scheer over the head, and he used antivaxxers to hit O'Toole over the head, both times quite effectively. But in those elections, the Liberals were neck-and-neck with the CPC in the popular vote, and comfortably in minority territory seat-wise. Right now, the Liberals are in landslide defeat territory. Donald Trump is not the biggest issue in Canada, for Christ's sake. He's an issue, of course, but the things that are really hurting Trudeau are issues related to the economy, affordability, that kind of thing. And things are bad. Don't take my word for it, take Trudeau's, even he says things are bad in Canada right now. Donald Trump is not the main motivator for Canadian voters, he needs to improve on the issues that ARE the main motivators.

But let's say Trudeau turns things around. Maybe the new social programs are really popular, maybe the economy gets better, maybe Poilievre strangles a cat, it doesn't really matter. If the goal is to use Donald Trump to get re-elected, you also have to consider that Donald Trump is a considerably less predictable international partner than Joe Biden is. I mean, if Trudeau's motive behind wanting Trump to win is he thinks it's gonna get him re-elected, he also has to think about why that is. Donald Trump does what Donald Trump wants. His people don't speak the same language that Biden's people and Trudeau's people speak. There's just no scenario where Donald Trump is easier to deal with than Joe Biden, none. And right now, when the government already has so much on its plate, the last thing they need is to add Donald Trump to the plate.

Polls are also suggesting that Canadians feel that Poilievre would be better at dealing with Trump than Trudeau would.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Some people seem to think that his gameplan is to use Trump as a club to hit Poilievre over the head with. It wouldn't be a surprising tactic, he used Doug Ford to hit Scheer over the head, and he used antivaxxers to hit O'Toole over the head, both times quite effectively. But in those elections, the Liberals were neck-and-neck with the CPC in the popular vote, and comfortably in minority territory seat-wise. Right now, the Liberals are in landslide defeat territory. Donald Trump is not the biggest issue in Canada, for Christ's sake. He's an issue, of course, but the things that are really hurting Trudeau are issues related to the economy, affordability, that kind of thing. And things are bad. Don't take my word for it, take Trudeau's, even he says things are bad in Canada right now. Donald Trump is not the main motivator for Canadian voters, he needs to improve on the issues that ARE the main motivators.

Didn't Trudeau also use Stephen Harper a boogeyman during the 2019 campaign and say over and over again that Scheer would just be another Stephen Harper.

[Stranger in a strange land]

How are you simultaneously so pessimistic about the US and optimistic about Canada? The Liberals are INSANELY unpopular. Biden is more likely to win again than Trudeau, and Canada has its fair share of crazies (and Poilievre doesn't even come close to matching Trump's level of insanity).

Canadians hate the United States, not without reason. They'll do whatever we don't do, because we live rent-free in their heads. Again, they have a right to hate us, everything is so much better up there.

You are clueless about this topic. You have no idea the depth of hopelessness young people are feeling in this country. Put two millennials in a room and it will take less than five minutes before they start talking about how f-cked they are because of the state of the housing market. It’s significantly worse here than it is in the United States.

I wish more Liberal and Left-Wing Americans would talk to actual Canadians rather than get their ideas about Canada from Michael Moore documentaries. Yes, Canada does many things better than the US, but it's still a real place with real problems that exists in its own right and on its own terms, not a "perfected" version of America.

[Flyersfan232]

I don’t think Trudeau would survive even if trump wins in November

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

Some people seem to think that his gameplan is to use Trump as a club to hit Poilievre over the head with. It wouldn't be a surprising tactic, he used Doug Ford to hit Scheer over the head, and he used antivaxxers to hit O'Toole over the head, both times quite effectively. But in those elections, the Liberals were neck-and-neck with the CPC in the popular vote, and comfortably in minority territory seat-wise. Right now, the Liberals are in landslide defeat territory. Donald Trump is not the biggest issue in Canada, for Christ's sake. He's an issue, of course, but the things that are really hurting Trudeau are issues related to the economy, affordability, that kind of thing. And things are bad. Don't take my word for it, take Trudeau's, even he says things are bad in Canada right now. Donald Trump is not the main motivator for Canadian voters, he needs to improve on the issues that ARE the main motivators.

Didn't Trudeau also use Stephen Harper a boogeyman during the 2019 campaign and say over and over again that Scheer would just be another Stephen Harper.

I think you mean bogeyperson

But yes, he did use Harper as a bogeyman, although I remember Doug Ford being the bigger bogeyman in that election. Granted that might just be my Ontario bias. I don't remember him using Harper quite as much as you'd imagine though.

[EastAnglianLefty]

Does SnowLabrador secretly want Donald Trump to win? Seems like a much more convincing argument to me.

[MABA 2020]

He might, but I don't think that will be what saves him

[It’s so Joever]

No Canadian federal election has ever been determined by the result of an American Presidential election, at least not directly. Not everything is about you.

To claim the Canadian election results won’t be somewhat impacted by the American ones is laughable.
It probably won’t help a lot but Canada doesn’t just exist in a bubble. America and our politics plays a huge role in Canadian society. The trucker protests alone should show you that.

[Pericles]

No Canadian federal election has ever been determined by the result of an American Presidential election, at least not directly. Not everything is about you.

To claim the Canadian election results won’t be somewhat impacted by the American ones is laughable.
It probably won’t help a lot but Canada doesn’t just exist in a bubble. America and our politics plays a huge role in Canadian society. The trucker protests alone should show you that.

That was a global anti-vax reaction, even NZ had a riot on the Parliament grounds.

[Flyersfan232]

At this point, it really doesn't make a difference. Trudeau needs to stop the bleeding first. Canadians are broadly dissatisfied with the current government, and Liberal support is going directly to the Conservatives. The Liberals have been in a constant decline and their floor just seems to keep getting lower and lower. Same goes for Trudeau's approval ratings, although that's kind of a distinction without a difference, because the Liberal Party of Canada is heavily tied to Justin Trudeau's brand and vice versa. He's holding the floor in Quebec (which I think is why the party is still very united around an objectively very unpopular leader - Quebec is a very tricky province politically, Trudeau has a proven record of comfortably delivering 30+ Quebec seats to the Liberals, and the Liberals are still competitive in Quebec), but outside of Quebec, they have a serious credibility gap to make up right now. This is the state of affairs:



Some people seem to think that his gameplan is to use Trump as a club to hit Poilievre over the head with. It wouldn't be a surprising tactic, he used Doug Ford to hit Scheer over the head, and he used antivaxxers to hit O'Toole over the head, both times quite effectively. But in those elections, the Liberals were neck-and-neck with the CPC in the popular vote, and comfortably in minority territory seat-wise. Right now, the Liberals are in landslide defeat territory. Donald Trump is not the biggest issue in Canada, for Christ's sake. He's an issue, of course, but the things that are really hurting Trudeau are issues related to the economy, affordability, that kind of thing. And things are bad. Don't take my word for it, take Trudeau's, even he says things are bad in Canada right now. Donald Trump is not the main motivator for Canadian voters, he needs to improve on the issues that ARE the main motivators.

But let's say Trudeau turns things around. Maybe the new social programs are really popular, maybe the economy gets better, maybe Poilievre strangles a cat, it doesn't really matter. If the goal is to use Donald Trump to get re-elected, you also have to consider that Donald Trump is a considerably less predictable international partner than Joe Biden is. I mean, if Trudeau's motive behind wanting Trump to win is he thinks it's gonna get him re-elected, he also has to think about why that is. Donald Trump does what Donald Trump wants. His people don't speak the same language that Biden's people and Trudeau's people speak. There's just no scenario where Donald Trump is easier to deal with than Joe Biden, none. And right now, when the government already has so much on its plate, the last thing they need is to add Donald Trump to the plate.

not to mention polls show that canadian votesr by a ten point margin trust poilievre on the issue more then trudeau

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

How are you simultaneously so pessimistic about the US and optimistic about Canada? The Liberals are INSANELY unpopular. Biden is more likely to win again than Trudeau, and Canada has its fair share of crazies (and Poilievre doesn't even come close to matching Trump's level of insanity).

It could just be that the OP is, and mostly* always has been, a troll.

*I took him off ignore when he seemed to simmer down, but now that we're back to business as usual, he's on iggy again.

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

At this point, it really doesn't make a difference. Trudeau needs to stop the bleeding first. Canadians are broadly dissatisfied with the current government, and Liberal support is going directly to the Conservatives. The Liberals have been in a constant decline and their floor just seems to keep getting lower and lower. Same goes for Trudeau's approval ratings, although that's kind of a distinction without a difference, because the Liberal Party of Canada is heavily tied to Justin Trudeau's brand and vice versa. He's holding the floor in Quebec (which I think is why the party is still very united around an objectively very unpopular leader - Quebec is a very tricky province politically, Trudeau has a proven record of comfortably delivering 30+ Quebec seats to the Liberals, and the Liberals are still competitive in Quebec), but outside of Quebec, they have a serious credibility gap to make up right now. This is the state of affairs:



Some people seem to think that his gameplan is to use Trump as a club to hit Poilievre over the head with. It wouldn't be a surprising tactic, he used Doug Ford to hit Scheer over the head, and he used antivaxxers to hit O'Toole over the head, both times quite effectively. But in those elections, the Liberals were neck-and-neck with the CPC in the popular vote, and comfortably in minority territory seat-wise. Right now, the Liberals are in landslide defeat territory. Donald Trump is not the biggest issue in Canada, for Christ's sake. He's an issue, of course, but the things that are really hurting Trudeau are issues related to the economy, affordability, that kind of thing. And things are bad. Don't take my word for it, take Trudeau's, even he says things are bad in Canada right now. Donald Trump is not the main motivator for Canadian voters, he needs to improve on the issues that ARE the main motivators.

But let's say Trudeau turns things around. Maybe the new social programs are really popular, maybe the economy gets better, maybe Poilievre strangles a cat, it doesn't really matter. If the goal is to use Donald Trump to get re-elected, you also have to consider that Donald Trump is a considerably less predictable international partner than Joe Biden is. I mean, if Trudeau's motive behind wanting Trump to win is he thinks it's gonna get him re-elected, he also has to think about why that is. Donald Trump does what Donald Trump wants. His people don't speak the same language that Biden's people and Trudeau's people speak. There's just no scenario where Donald Trump is easier to deal with than Joe Biden, none. And right now, when the government already has so much on its plate, the last thing they need is to add Donald Trump to the plate.

not to mention polls show that canadian votesr by a ten point margin trust poilievre on the issue more then trudeau

Oh yeah, there's that. Granted Trudeau would still probably do better in a "Trump referendum" election than say an "economy referendum" election, but the idea that Canada's next election would be dominated by Donald Trump is laughable.

I don't know if American liberals realize this, but Canada has issues too. Imagine a jurisdiction that has higher average down payments on a house than California, but a lower GDP per capita than f-ing West Virginia. Congratulations, welcome to the great province of Ontario, where 40% of Canadians live. And Ontario ranks relatively high on QoL metrics compared to most provinces.

But yeah, orang man is our biggest issue. Get real lol.