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jaichind
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« on: February 15, 2024, 12:25:08 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2024, 12:25:19 PM »

It was tied back in Dec
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2024, 12:32:43 PM »


It's still tied.
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2024, 12:41:50 PM »


I may be reading the poll wrong but it seems this poll has it Trump +2
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2024, 12:57:03 PM »

+2 is a virtual tie though
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2024, 01:13:43 PM »


Within MOE is tied.
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2024, 01:22:32 PM »

4.3% MOE.

The +2 lead is anything from Trump +10 to Biden +6 ... if you're going to cite MOE for every poll, you'll go nowhere. At some point, you've got to take the numbers as they are
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2024, 01:29:35 PM »

4.3% MOE.

The +2 lead is anything from Trump +10 to Biden +6 ... if you're going to cite MOE for every poll, you'll go nowhere. At some point, you've got to take the numbers as they are

When has the Rs won a Special eDays they have lost every Eday since 22, these are polls not votes and you think that you would have learned from Rs loss on Tues Trump is going to Trial and highly likely to be convicted in NY before Eday
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2024, 01:31:11 PM »

Reminded once again that 90% of this forum does not know what margin of error is or how statistical sampling works.
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2024, 01:51:05 PM »

Im not a fan of this "Definetly/Probably" thing Monmouth has started doing. It seems like a sneaky way to avoid getting the race wrong.
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2024, 02:20:49 PM »

Another thing of note is that Trump’s lead entirely comes from the “probably” category, indicating his strength is with very low-propensity voters.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2024, 02:23:02 PM »


No it's not. Results are not uniformly distributed within the margin of error, they are normally distributed. That means that Monmouth is estimating Trump +2 as the most likely outcome, not a tie. There's a certain chance that the sample is drawing from a 'tied' or better population, but that is less than a 50% chance and also the same chance the sample is drawing from a Trump +4 or better population. Consequently, Monmouth going from tied to Trump +2 is not them getting an equivalent result. It is them estimating a 2 point swing to Trump. Again, there's a certain chance that the population has not changed, but a much greater chance that it has.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2024, 03:31:04 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2024, 03:56:57 PM »



You really believe polls like I told Redban after Tues lost and they aren't votes, Rs lost how many special edays and they supposed to pick up seats not lose seats when out of WH that's why these polls are bogus and they are only MOE
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2024, 07:28:41 PM »

Reminded once again that 90% of this forum does not know what margin of error is or how statistical sampling works.

The MoE shifted 2 points towards Trump, so it basically is a stupid defense.
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