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« Reply #75 on: March 23, 2024, 02:23:21 PM »

It is never going to be sent to the Senate because Republicans know there will be no conviction and that a few Republicans would vote not to convict.
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« Reply #76 on: March 24, 2024, 02:11:31 PM »

It is never going to be sent to the Senate because Republicans know there will be no conviction and that a few Republicans would vote not to convict.

I was thinking that there would be no one stupid enough in the House GOP to act as their managers/prosecutors in the Senate ... but then on second thought, there would be plenty of fools who would do it.
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« Reply #77 on: March 28, 2024, 12:54:29 PM »

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« Reply #78 on: March 28, 2024, 03:03:16 PM »



They should immediately dismiss. However, Republicans will most likely use this as precedent later on to reject a potential impeachment by a Democratic House against one of their own, even when there's a serious conduct. Republicans constantly turn consitutional orders into a joke and then later complain how Democrats treated them so badly.
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« Reply #79 on: March 28, 2024, 09:26:44 PM »

MTG is going to be one of the impeachment managers.  Roll Eyes

The Republicans are not a serious party, and should not be treated as one.
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« Reply #80 on: March 29, 2024, 07:58:45 AM »
« Edited: March 29, 2024, 08:15:41 AM by Mechavada »

I find it fascinating that Mayorkas wasn't asked to resign or an impeachment effort wasn't made against him after he advocated for a freaking Board of Disinformation but now he's suddenly solely responsible for the failures at the Southern Border.  Failures that have, if we're being honest here, have been going on for several decades and not just the past three years.  Well before this guy was made a Cabinet official.

This isn't a black and white issue.  It's not merely an enforcement issue.  A backlog exists for a reason.  People often wait years for a hearing.  That to me suggests the system is inefficient.  I can agree that illegal immigration isn't good.  No argument there.  But we have the high levels we have for a reason.  Because on some level a lot of people have accepted it's much easier to skip the process than to go through it.

And that's a problem for more people than just the ones skipping the line.  People come here from all over the world for a reason.  Regardless of what anyone might say about this country we're still quite arguably one of the greatest countries on the planet.  We still have a brand among people all over the world as a land of opportunity.  This is an advantage that we have but for whatever reason there are people in this country who don't want to use it.  There are people in this country who look at the convoluted mess our admissions system is and completely ignore that or say it's caving into "radical demands" to try to fix that and then have the audacity to complain when the lack of reforms on this end creates a massive backlog of people waiting to get in.

There is a lot of talk about increasing border security or putting more troops on the border.  But never do I hear talk about boosting the hiring of process clerks, judges, and others who could keep up with the paperwork and decrease the waiting time for many of these folks who are trying to get in.  And when an enforcement deal is proposed that would boost security and give the government more power to control border crossings, suddenly the most vocal immigration hawks want nothing of it.

This isn't the first time we've had this issue with the GOP:


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« Reply #81 on: March 30, 2024, 09:52:17 AM »

MTG is going to be one of the impeachment managers.  Roll Eyes

The Republicans are not a serious party, and should not be treated as one.

Yikes. What a sh!t show. But it might be entertaining in a naughty way.
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« Reply #82 on: April 16, 2024, 01:51:59 PM »

House sends Mayorkas impeachment articles to the Senate

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House Republicans have sent to the Senate two articles of impeachment against Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, a step that launches a trial in the Senate as GOP lawmakers seek to highlight President Joe Biden’s handling of immigration policy.

The Democratic-controlled Senate, however, is expected to quickly dismiss the charges without a trial or conduct a speedy trial that ends without a conviction.

Mayorkas, who took the helm at the start of the Biden administration, is the first Cabinet secretary to be impeached in nearly 150 years. House Republicans voted to impeach Mayorkas in February over his handling of the southern border by a narrow margin after failing to do so on their first try.

Republicans targeted Mayorkas as soon as they took control of the House last year, blaming the high number of border crossings on the Homeland Security secretary as the party faced pressure from its base to hold the Biden administration accountable on a key campaign issue.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/16/politics/house-mayorkas-impeachment-articles-senate/index.html
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« Reply #83 on: April 16, 2024, 02:53:09 PM »

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« Reply #84 on: April 16, 2024, 06:13:50 PM »



Off to a good start.
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« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2024, 08:36:43 PM »

How did it take 30 minutes to read articles of impeachment when there is no crime and no evidence of a crime?
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« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2024, 10:28:24 PM »

I am not a fan of this impeachment of Mayorkas.  This is maladministration, and while it is not a good thing, the Framers did not intend for at least Presidents to be impeached and removed for "maladministration".  It's not going anywhere because Democrats approve of what Mayorkas has done, regardless of how many laws his Department, at his direction, has refused to endorse.

That being said, Mayorkas is a disgusting example of a Cabinet Secretary.  A man who was asked by his President to not enforce laws on the books that had integrity would resign.  And if Mayorkas resigned, even now, I would have SOME respect for him.  As of now, I have none; he is a vain coward who cannot and will not level with the American people.  His testimony before Congress is blather.  For him to say that the border is secure (which he has on multiple occasions) comes close to perjury.
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« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2024, 12:32:48 AM »

I am not a fan of this impeachment of Mayorkas.  This is maladministration, and while it is not a good thing, the Framers did not intend for at least Presidents to be impeached and removed for "maladministration".  It's not going anywhere because Democrats approve of what Mayorkas has done, regardless of how many laws his Department, at his direction, has refused to endorse.

That being said, Mayorkas is a disgusting example of a Cabinet Secretary.  A man who was asked by his President to not enforce laws on the books that had integrity would resign.  And if Mayorkas resigned, even now, I would have SOME respect for him.  As of now, I have none; he is a vain coward who cannot and will not level with the American people.  His testimony before Congress is blather.  For him to say that the border is secure (which he has on multiple occasions) comes close to perjury.
Which laws on the books did Biden ask Mayorkas not to enforce?
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« Reply #88 on: April 17, 2024, 06:00:59 AM »

I am not a fan of this impeachment of Mayorkas.  This is maladministration, and while it is not a good thing, the Framers did not intend for at least Presidents to be impeached and removed for "maladministration".  It's not going anywhere because Democrats approve of what Mayorkas has done, regardless of how many laws his Department, at his direction, has refused to endorse.

That being said, Mayorkas is a disgusting example of a Cabinet Secretary.  A man who was asked by his President to not enforce laws on the books that had integrity would resign.  And if Mayorkas resigned, even now, I would have SOME respect for him.  As of now, I have none; he is a vain coward who cannot and will not level with the American people.  His testimony before Congress is blather.  For him to say that the border is secure (which he has on multiple occasions) comes close to perjury.
Which laws on the books did Biden ask Mayorkas not to enforce?

You’d have to watch Fox and OANN or conservatiktok to figure out what they decided to make up.
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« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2024, 09:16:35 AM »

How the impeachment proceedings are expected to unfold in the Senate today

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Here is what is expected on the Senate floor when the impeachment trial convenes at 1 p.m. ET,  according to information from the Democratic whip notice as well as interviews with senators and staff from both parties.

Senators should be at their desks on the Senate floor at 1 p.m. ET for a live quorum and once it is determined they have senators in attendance, the chamber will proceed to consider the articles of impeachment against Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas.

Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, the most senior Republican, will administer the oath to the President Pro Tempore, Senator Murray of Washington, the most senior Democrat.

Murray will administer the oath to all senators in the chamber in conformance with Article I, section 3, clause 6 of the Constitution, and the Senate's impeachment rules.

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Democrats could pass a motion to dismiss or table the articles on a simple majority vote as early as Wednesday. Senate Republicans are also seeking to reach a time agreement with Democrats that would allow floor debate and for GOP senators to have votes on procedural motions.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/alejandro-mayorkas-impeachment-trial-senate-04-17-24/index.html
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« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2024, 09:23:47 AM »

This entire process is a farce and total waste of time. If the GOP really cared about increased border security, they could have gotten a bipartisan bill months ago.
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« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2024, 02:39:43 PM »

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« Reply #92 on: April 17, 2024, 02:50:27 PM »

MTG is going to be one of the impeachment managers.  Roll Eyes

The Republicans are not a serious party, and should not be treated as one.

Exhibit 2348:

"Sen. Roger Marshall (R-KS) has motioned to adjourn until Election Day morning on Nov. 6"

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« Reply #93 on: April 17, 2024, 03:23:11 PM »

Both articles failed and they're voting to adjourn the trial lol.
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« Reply #94 on: April 17, 2024, 03:30:21 PM »

Both articles failed and they're voting to adjourn the trial lol.

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« Reply #95 on: April 17, 2024, 03:42:50 PM »

COMPLETE AND TOTAL EXONERATION
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« Reply #96 on: April 17, 2024, 03:45:52 PM »


Now onto governing, no wonder those incapable of it were keen on nonsense:

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« Reply #97 on: April 17, 2024, 03:49:41 PM »

Senate kills the articles of impeachment against Alejandro Mayorkas

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The Senate killed the articles of impeachment against Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas on Wednesday as the historic trial of the Cabinet secretary barely got underway.

The articles of impeachment killed by the Senate were for “willful and systemic refusal to comply with the law” and “breach of public trust.”

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer opened the proceedings by offering a time agreement to Republicans that would have allowed a certain amount of floor debate and votes on trial resolutions and points of order before an eventual vote to dismiss the case.

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Schumer then made a motion to table or kill the first impeachment article because “it does not allege conduct that rises to the level of a high crime or misdemeanor” as required in the Constitution. After several rounds of procedural votes, the Senate passed that motion 51 to 48 with one voting present, killing the first article of impeachment.

After several more procedural votes, Schumer’s motion to table the second article was also approved, killing the second article of impeachment by a party line vote of 51-49.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/17/politics/senate-mayorkas-impeachment-articles/index.html
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« Reply #98 on: April 17, 2024, 03:51:20 PM »

One good thing about this affair is that a hypothetical Trump administration can't prosecute him now because it would be Double Jeopardy, or at least it would be according to that argument that Trump took all the way to SCOTUS.
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« Reply #99 on: April 17, 2024, 04:05:04 PM »

To be fair to Marshall, the 118th Congress doing f**kall for over six months would have been in-character.
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