Megathread: Effect of Biden support for Israel on the election

[pppolitics]

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Does Biden not know that his support for the genocide of Palestinians is costing him votes or does he simply not care?

I think that he simply doesn't care and he thinks that this is just going to blow over.

[Vosem]

It is very likely that the fundamental reason for Biden's Israel policy is that it is winning him votes. This poll asks about Fetterman, but come on. Note the crosstab for 'Democrats', and note that Quinnipiac isn't really a very strong poll for the Israeli campaign (relative to, like, YouGov).

[pppolitics]

It is very likely that the fundamental reason for Biden's Israel policy is that it is winning him votes. This poll asks about Fetterman, but come on. Note the crosstab for 'Democrats', and note that Quinnipiac isn't really a very strong poll for the Israeli campaign (relative to, like, YouGov).

I highly doubt that Republicans who "approve" of what he is doing with Israel are going to vote for him.

[wbrocks67]

Your premise is that its genocide, which it is not, so off the bat your premise is wrong.

Secondly, Joe Biden is not in charge of Israel. This whole "Biden could just do one phone call to end this!" is just so delusional I don't even know what to say.

[Vosem]

It is very likely that the fundamental reason for Biden's Israel policy is that it is winning him votes. This poll asks about Fetterman, but come on. Note the crosstab for 'Democrats', and note that Quinnipiac isn't really a very strong poll for the Israeli campaign (relative to, like, YouGov).

I highly doubt that Republicans who "approve" of what he is doing with Israel are going to vote for him.

It increases approval (and favorability!) from self-identified Democrats.

Also, like, there's a primary going on right now and Biden's main competitor (on track for like a quarter of the vote in the primary tonight, so not close but not nothing) is running on the Democratic Party not being pro-Israel enough. The reverse view is so fringey that they failed to recruit anyone to run at all. Biden simply has way more to fear from not being seen as sufficiently strident.

[pppolitics]

Your premise is that its genocide, which it is not, so off the bat your premise is wrong.

What else do you call indiscriminately dropping unguided 2000 lb bombs on densely populated areas?

Secondly, Joe Biden is not in charge of Israel. This whole "Biden could just do one phone call to end this!" is just so delusional I don't even know what to say.

He is bypassing Congress to send more weapons to Israel and ignoring the Leahy Law when it comes to Israel.

[Vosem]

Your premise is that its genocide, which it is not, so off the bat your premise is wrong.

What else do you call indiscriminately dropping unguided 2000 lb bombs on densely populated areas?

I call it much nicer than how the people who raised me fought and significantly kinder than the international norm of the 2010s, though we've been over this and it won't change your mind.

[pppolitics]

It is very likely that the fundamental reason for Biden's Israel policy is that it is winning him votes. This poll asks about Fetterman, but come on. Note the crosstab for 'Democrats', and note that Quinnipiac isn't really a very strong poll for the Israeli campaign (relative to, like, YouGov).

I highly doubt that Republicans who "approve" of what he is doing with Israel are going to vote for him.

It increases approval (and favorability!) from self-identified Democrats.

Also, like, there's a primary going on right now and Biden's main competitor (on track for like a quarter of the vote in the primary tonight, so not close but not nothing) is running on the Democratic Party not being pro-Israel enough. The reverse view is so fringey that they failed to recruit anyone to run at all. Biden simply has way more to fear from not being seen as sufficiently strident.

Are you voting for Biden?

[Horus]

Your premise is that its genocide, which it is not, so off the bat your premise is wrong.

Secondly, Joe Biden is not in charge of Israel. This whole "Biden could just do one phone call to end this!" is just so delusional I don't even know what to say.

Reagan made one phone call to Begin and got Israel to change their entire Lebanon strategy.

[pppolitics]

Your premise is that its genocide, which it is not, so off the bat your premise is wrong.

What else do you call indiscriminately dropping unguided 2000 lb bombs on densely populated areas?

I call it much nicer than how the people who raised me fought and significantly kinder than the international norm of the 2010s, though we've been over this and it won't change your mind.

Are you voting for Biden?

[jojoju1998]

Your premise is that its genocide, which it is not, so off the bat your premise is wrong.

Secondly, Joe Biden is not in charge of Israel. This whole "Biden could just do one phone call to end this!" is just so delusional I don't even know what to say.

Reagan made one phone call to Begin and got Israel to change their entire Lebanon strategy.

Reagan was different as Reagan used the spectre of Cold War compeititon with the Soviet Union to have leverage, and Israel was far more at risk of destruction then.

[Vosem]

Your premise is that its genocide, which it is not, so off the bat your premise is wrong.

Secondly, Joe Biden is not in charge of Israel. This whole "Biden could just do one phone call to end this!" is just so delusional I don't even know what to say.

Reagan made one phone call to Begin and got Israel to change their entire Lebanon strategy.

Of course, at that time the support for Israel in American society was barely half what it is now. The situation has shifted; in today's world it's much more plausible for Democrats or swing voters to take Israel's side over the President's. This is mostly because of the decades of PR victories during intifadas and Gazan bombing campaigns, which have consistently won over Americans who lacked opinions on the conflict to the side of sympathizing with Israel, though a substantial part of it is also because of religious shifts.

It is very likely that the fundamental reason for Biden's Israel policy is that it is winning him votes. This poll asks about Fetterman, but come on. Note the crosstab for 'Democrats', and note that Quinnipiac isn't really a very strong poll for the Israeli campaign (relative to, like, YouGov).

I highly doubt that Republicans who "approve" of what he is doing with Israel are going to vote for him.

It increases approval (and favorability!) from self-identified Democrats.

Also, like, there's a primary going on right now and Biden's main competitor (on track for like a quarter of the vote in the primary tonight, so not close but not nothing) is running on the Democratic Party not being pro-Israel enough. The reverse view is so fringey that they failed to recruit anyone to run at all. Biden simply has way more to fear from not being seen as sufficiently strident.

Are you voting for Biden?

Do only Biden voters get to explain Biden voters' motivations? Bizarre question.

[pppolitics]

It is very likely that the fundamental reason for Biden's Israel policy is that it is winning him votes. This poll asks about Fetterman, but come on. Note the crosstab for 'Democrats', and note that Quinnipiac isn't really a very strong poll for the Israeli campaign (relative to, like, YouGov).

From the the link that you provided:

26. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Israel is responding to the October 7th Hamas terrorist attack?

Democrats:

24% approve
58% disapprove
18% don't know

Independents:

34% approve
44% disapprove
22% don't know

Republicans:

72% approve
14% disapprove
14% don't know

[Bernie Derangement Syndrome Haver]

Leftists are ungrateful about everything, why would he care what they think?

[pppolitics]

It is very likely that the fundamental reason for Biden's Israel policy is that it is winning him votes. This poll asks about Fetterman, but come on. Note the crosstab for 'Democrats', and note that Quinnipiac isn't really a very strong poll for the Israeli campaign (relative to, like, YouGov).

I highly doubt that Republicans who "approve" of what he is doing with Israel are going to vote for him.

It increases approval (and favorability!) from self-identified Democrats.

Also, like, there's a primary going on right now and Biden's main competitor (on track for like a quarter of the vote in the primary tonight, so not close but not nothing) is running on the Democratic Party not being pro-Israel enough. The reverse view is so fringey that they failed to recruit anyone to run at all. Biden simply has way more to fear from not being seen as sufficiently strident.

Are you voting for Biden?

Do only Biden voters get to explain Biden voters' motivations? Bizarre question.

The poll that you provided shows that Democrats and Independents disapprove of Israel's conduct.

Republicans approve of Israel's conduct, but won't vote for Biden anyway. YOU ARE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Textbook example of why the ignore feature should also ignore new threads made by that user right here.

[SnowLabrador]

Either he is oblivious to it, or he actually wants to lose. Neither interpretation says anything positive about the future of the United States.

[pppolitics]

Textbook example of why the ignore feature should also ignore new threads made by that user right here.

I am hardly saying anything that polls aren't saying.

Are you going to ignore the polls too?

26. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Israel is responding to the October 7th Hamas terrorist attack?

Democrats:

24% approve
58% disapprove
18% don't know

Independents:

34% approve
44% disapprove
22% don't know

Republicans:

72% approve
14% disapprove
14% don't know

This is in PA, which is one of the whiter states.

Approval is likely much lower in states like GA.

[Vosem]

It is very likely that the fundamental reason for Biden's Israel policy is that it is winning him votes. This poll asks about Fetterman, but come on. Note the crosstab for 'Democrats', and note that Quinnipiac isn't really a very strong poll for the Israeli campaign (relative to, like, YouGov).

I highly doubt that Republicans who "approve" of what he is doing with Israel are going to vote for him.

It increases approval (and favorability!) from self-identified Democrats.

Also, like, there's a primary going on right now and Biden's main competitor (on track for like a quarter of the vote in the primary tonight, so not close but not nothing) is running on the Democratic Party not being pro-Israel enough. The reverse view is so fringey that they failed to recruit anyone to run at all. Biden simply has way more to fear from not being seen as sufficiently strident.

Are you voting for Biden?

Do only Biden voters get to explain Biden voters' motivations? Bizarre question.

The poll that you provided shows that Democrats and Independents disapprove of Israel's conduct.

Republicans approve of Israel's conduct, but won't vote for Biden anyway. YOU ARE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

This poll has Democrats agreeing 20/16 that Fetterman's support of Israel, which is much more strident than Biden's, make them think more favorably of him. The reason I cited that poll (even though, honestly, it's probably worse for Israel than most polling conducted) is because it's the only poll to ask about change in politician favorability. A better poll might ask whether Biden's support for Israel makes people think more favorably of him, of course.

There are many polls showing that those paying close attention to the war tend to support Israel, while those paying less attention to what's going on, who don't know about the methods used, are likelier to support Gaza. This is also true among Democrats; most don't care, but among those who do, there are significantly more who are pro-Israel who are upset with Biden's response. This is why the challenge to him within the party is coming from a pro-Israel direction.

If there were so many people upset with Biden who wanted him to try to deescalate the conflict, why wouldn't they run a candidate? The answer must be that such people basically don't really exist (eg, it's been widely reported that campus protests for Palestine are predominantly attended by foreign students), so such a candidate could not be found. Americans who care -- including Democrats who care* -- want the Gaza campaign to continue.

*And, per some polls, including young Democrats who care!

[pppolitics]

It is very likely that the fundamental reason for Biden's Israel policy is that it is winning him votes. This poll asks about Fetterman, but come on. Note the crosstab for 'Democrats', and note that Quinnipiac isn't really a very strong poll for the Israeli campaign (relative to, like, YouGov).

I highly doubt that Republicans who "approve" of what he is doing with Israel are going to vote for him.

It increases approval (and favorability!) from self-identified Democrats.

Also, like, there's a primary going on right now and Biden's main competitor (on track for like a quarter of the vote in the primary tonight, so not close but not nothing) is running on the Democratic Party not being pro-Israel enough. The reverse view is so fringey that they failed to recruit anyone to run at all. Biden simply has way more to fear from not being seen as sufficiently strident.

Are you voting for Biden?

Do only Biden voters get to explain Biden voters' motivations? Bizarre question.

The poll that you provided shows that Democrats and Independents disapprove of Israel's conduct.

Republicans approve of Israel's conduct, but won't vote for Biden anyway. YOU ARE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

This poll has Democrats agreeing 20/16 that Fetterman's support of Israel, which is much more strident than Biden's, make them think more favorably of him.

There are many polls showing that those paying close attention to the war tend to support Israel, while those paying less attention to what's going on, who don't know about the methods used, are likelier to support Gaza. This is also true among Democrats; most don't care, but among those who do, there are significantly more who are pro-Israel who are upset with Biden's response. This is why the challenge to him within the party is coming from a pro-Israel direction.

If there were so many people upset with Biden who wanted him to try to deescalate the conflict, why wouldn't they run a candidate? The answer must be that such people basically don't really exist (eg, it's been widely reported that campus protests for Palestine are predominantly attended by foreign students), so such a candidate could not be found. Americans who care -- including Democrats who care* -- want the Gaza campaign to continue.

*And, per some polls, including young Democrats who care!

1. Fetterman isn't running for president.

2. Just because they "express support" for Israel doesn't mean that they approve of Israel's conduct.

[Vosem]

It is very likely that the fundamental reason for Biden's Israel policy is that it is winning him votes. This poll asks about Fetterman, but come on. Note the crosstab for 'Democrats', and note that Quinnipiac isn't really a very strong poll for the Israeli campaign (relative to, like, YouGov).

I highly doubt that Republicans who "approve" of what he is doing with Israel are going to vote for him.

It increases approval (and favorability!) from self-identified Democrats.

Also, like, there's a primary going on right now and Biden's main competitor (on track for like a quarter of the vote in the primary tonight, so not close but not nothing) is running on the Democratic Party not being pro-Israel enough. The reverse view is so fringey that they failed to recruit anyone to run at all. Biden simply has way more to fear from not being seen as sufficiently strident.

Are you voting for Biden?

Do only Biden voters get to explain Biden voters' motivations? Bizarre question.

The poll that you provided shows that Democrats and Independents disapprove of Israel's conduct.

Republicans approve of Israel's conduct, but won't vote for Biden anyway. YOU ARE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

This poll has Democrats agreeing 20/16 that Fetterman's support of Israel, which is much more strident than Biden's, make them think more favorably of him.

There are many polls showing that those paying close attention to the war tend to support Israel, while those paying less attention to what's going on, who don't know about the methods used, are likelier to support Gaza. This is also true among Democrats; most don't care, but among those who do, there are significantly more who are pro-Israel who are upset with Biden's response. This is why the challenge to him within the party is coming from a pro-Israel direction.

If there were so many people upset with Biden who wanted him to try to deescalate the conflict, why wouldn't they run a candidate? The answer must be that such people basically don't really exist (eg, it's been widely reported that campus protests for Palestine are predominantly attended by foreign students), so such a candidate could not be found. Americans who care -- including Democrats who care* -- want the Gaza campaign to continue.

*And, per some polls, including young Democrats who care!

1. Fetterman isn't running for president.

2. Just because they "express support" for Israel doesn't mean that they approve of Israel's conduct.

1. Sure, but his positions are a lot more extreme than Biden's.

2. What else would it mean? In particular, Israel's actions in this conflict are consistent with their actions in similar conflicts for several decades. It's not some out-of-the-blue thing.

[Horus]

1. Fetterman isn't running for president.

All signs point to a 2028 run. He is hedging his bets early on Israel and I think he will regret it, but everything he says is very calculated. He's running.

[pppolitics]

It is very likely that the fundamental reason for Biden's Israel policy is that it is winning him votes. This poll asks about Fetterman, but come on. Note the crosstab for 'Democrats', and note that Quinnipiac isn't really a very strong poll for the Israeli campaign (relative to, like, YouGov).

I highly doubt that Republicans who "approve" of what he is doing with Israel are going to vote for him.

It increases approval (and favorability!) from self-identified Democrats.

Also, like, there's a primary going on right now and Biden's main competitor (on track for like a quarter of the vote in the primary tonight, so not close but not nothing) is running on the Democratic Party not being pro-Israel enough. The reverse view is so fringey that they failed to recruit anyone to run at all. Biden simply has way more to fear from not being seen as sufficiently strident.

Are you voting for Biden?

Do only Biden voters get to explain Biden voters' motivations? Bizarre question.

The poll that you provided shows that Democrats and Independents disapprove of Israel's conduct.

Republicans approve of Israel's conduct, but won't vote for Biden anyway. YOU ARE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

This poll has Democrats agreeing 20/16 that Fetterman's support of Israel, which is much more strident than Biden's, make them think more favorably of him.

There are many polls showing that those paying close attention to the war tend to support Israel, while those paying less attention to what's going on, who don't know about the methods used, are likelier to support Gaza. This is also true among Democrats; most don't care, but among those who do, there are significantly more who are pro-Israel who are upset with Biden's response. This is why the challenge to him within the party is coming from a pro-Israel direction.

If there were so many people upset with Biden who wanted him to try to deescalate the conflict, why wouldn't they run a candidate? The answer must be that such people basically don't really exist (eg, it's been widely reported that campus protests for Palestine are predominantly attended by foreign students), so such a candidate could not be found. Americans who care -- including Democrats who care* -- want the Gaza campaign to continue.

*And, per some polls, including young Democrats who care!

1. Fetterman isn't running for president.

2. Just because they "express support" for Israel doesn't mean that they approve of Israel's conduct.

1. Sure, but his positions are a lot more extreme than Biden's.

2. What else would it mean? In particular, Israel's actions in this conflict are consistent with their actions in similar conflicts for several decades. It's not some out-of-the-blue thing.

Really? Does he approve of bypassing Congress to send more weapons to Israel and ignore the Leahy Law?

Since when has Israel been indiscriminately dropping unguided 2000lb bombs on densely populated areas?

[Ferguson97]

Biden is taking the position that is costing him the fewest number of votes. The situation is no-win.

[Blow by blow, the passion dies]

Not a genocide