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« on: January 14, 2024, 10:02:12 PM »
Suppose the McGovern-Fraser commission fails to get primary reforms and smoke filled rooms still decided the presidential nominee. Who would be the Republican and Democratic nominee in each race?

Democrat
1972: Muskie
1976: Jackson
1980: ?
1984: Mondale
1988: Gehardt
1992: Cuomo
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: Kerry
2008: Hillary
2012: Obama
2016: Hillary
2020: Biden

Republican
1972: Nixon
1976: Ford
1980: Reagan
1984: Reagan
1988: Bush
1992: Bush
1996: Dole
2000: Bush
2004: Bush
2008: McCain
2012: Romney
2016: Kasich
2020: Trump
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2024, 01:28:20 AM »
Well this is all if each year was separated rather than a different timeline. As the only reason Trump has the backing of much of the establishment is because he was president.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2024, 04:16:02 AM »
The issue with that is that most of the old-fashioned political machines, the aeformentioned bossisms that thrived on patronage, collapsed or were dramatically curtailed with civil service reform and the growth of the middle class. Nowadays it's just a less gouche establishment strongly influencing nominations by raising or withholding campaign funds.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2024, 05:58:13 PM »
2020: Deval Patrick
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2024, 11:24:28 PM »
« Edited: January 29, 2024, 11:33:26 PM by Whip of Peace Christian Man »
1972: Sen. Muskie/Sen. Askew v. Pres. Nixon/VP. Agnew (Nixon win)
1976: Sen. Jackson/Gov. Carter v. Pres. Ford/Sen. Dole (Jackson win)
1980: Pres. Jackson/VP. Carter v. Gov. Reagan/HW Bush (Reagan win)
1984: VP. Carter/Sen. Chiles v. Pres. Reagan/VP. HW Bush (Reagan win)
1988: Rep. Gephardt/Sen. Bentsen vs. VP. Bush/Sen. Quayle (Bush win)
1992: Gov. Cuomo/VP. Gephardt vs. Pres HW Bush/VP. Quayle (Cuomo win)
1996: Pres. Cuomo/VP. Gephardt vs. Sen. Dole/Rep. Kemp (Cuomo win)
2000: VP. Gephardt/Sen. Kerry vs. Gov. Bush/Rep. Cheney (Gephardt win)
2004: Pres. Gephardt/VP. Kerry vs. Sen. McCain/Gov. Ridge (Gephardt win)
2008: VP. Kerry/Sen. Biden vs. Gov. Romney/Gov. Pawlenty (Romney win)
2012: Sen. Obama/Gov. Purdue vs. Pres. Romney/VP. Pawlenty (Romney win)
2016: Gov. Chaffee/Mayor Bloomberg vs. VP. Pawlenty/Sen. Ayotte(Pawlenty win)
2020: Mayor Bloomberg/Gov. Newsom vs. Pres. Pawlenty/VP. Ayotte (Pawlenty win)
2024. Gov. Newsom/Gov. Hochul vs. VP. Ayotte/Gov. Youngkin (Newsom favored)
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