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Question: Who would you support?
#1
Whitmer
 
#2
Moore
 
#3
Fetterman
 
#4
Beshear
 
#5
Hawley
 
#6
Rubio
 
#7
Paul
 
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Total Voters: 11

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« on: December 20, 2023, 10:54:53 AM »
« edited: December 20, 2023, 11:03:05 AM by wnwnwn »

After more years of Biden (who sighly won in 2024 vs Trump), both the rpeublican and the democrat party membwrs discuss which option may be the best to win the 2028 election.

Republicans have various candidates competing:
Nikki Haley
Marco Rubio
Ron DeSantis
Rand Paul
John Hawley
Greg Abbott
Kristi Noem

Meanwhile, democrats have:
Gretchen Whitmer
John Fetterman
Amy Kloubuchar
Andy Beshear
Kamala Harris
Wes Moore
Jamaal Bowman

THE WISCONSIN SWINGER: 15 DECEMBER, 2027

Trump endorses Hawley

The former republican president, now retired of politics, has anounced his support for the Missouri senator. Despite losing two election, Donald Trump continues being popular with a large part of the republican electorade, as MAGA merchandize continues being seen in some neightborhoods.

In a rally on Cedar Rapids, he anounced his support in front of a multitude of supporters wearing MAGA hats. Then, he said: 'I know that some of you didn't trust politics before Trump. Now, I ask you to continue supporting the movement. Even if I become the favorite, everything will be decided in the primaries. Don't rest, let's support our dream for a Great America. After 8 years of Biden, let's make América great again.' Even if the reception by conservative media is mixed, we can't expect nothing less than an increase on support for Hawley.

Kamala on Columbia

The current vicepresidenr appeared in a rally in this important South Carolina city. The problem is that the expected massive black audiences never fully appeared. Even those who appeared didn't deem much motivated. The failure of this rally seems to correlate with her polling numbers. Will Harris retire? Only time will tell.

Fetterman on Greenville

The Pennsylvania senator has focused his South Carolina primary campaing on the appalachian part of the state.  Yesterday, he leaded a rally on the republican leaning city of Greenville. This area is trending democrat, so some expect Fetterman to gaing with those new white democrat voters, even if at cost of the core black voters.

In front of brand new 'FETTERMAN FOR AMERICAN WORKERS' sings, he anounced: 'This campaing is not only for some, not for a minority, not for some areas, states nor cities.
This is a campaing for all american workers and their families. We will work to keep you in your work and for better conditions and real wages for you, even if you aren't part of an union. We also will work for better oportunities for those who can't find jobs.'

This anouncement has become a bit controversial. DSA members has criticised its 'nationalist semiTrumper overtones'. Some say it has hints of anti inmigrant and even racist discourses. Meanwhile, the reception by AFL-CIO union leaders has been positive.


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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2023, 11:26:23 AM »
« Edited: December 20, 2023, 02:39:28 PM by wnwnwn »

22 December 2027 Polls

SC-DEM
Moore 26%
Whitmer 14%
Beshear 12%
Bowman 10%
Fetterman 10%
Harris 6%
Kloubuchar 6%
Other/Undecided 16%

NH-DEM
Whitmer 26%
Fetterman 20%
Moore 12%
Kloubuchar 10%
Beshear 10%
Bowman 8%
Harris 4%
Other/Undecided 10%

NV-DEM
Whitmer 20%
Kloubuchar 18%
Fetterman 16%
Beshear 12%
Moore 8%
Bowman 6%
Harris 4%
Other/Undecided 14%

Republican polls

Hawley dominates all state primary polls on Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada with pluralities of 46%, 44% and 42%.

Rubio has the second best results on Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada.
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2023, 04:11:06 PM »

THE WASHINGTON SWINGER: 28 DECEMBER, 2027

Haley Out: Endorses Rubio

The former UN Ambassador, a former lead candidate in the race, renounced as her polling didn't seem to get better, a bad memory of her 2023 failed run. Now, she has endorse Marco Rubio, the new leader of the oposition to Hawley.

After Noem retired and endorsed Hawley, a 'Stop Hawley' movement lead by Rubio has appeared in the party. Abbott has also retired. As expected, Rommey has endorsed Rubio. This movement has tried to avoid critics to the revered Trump, focusing more on the Missouri senator. Meamwhile, the Club for Growth has been endorsing and funding Rubio.

All for New Hampshire
As the numbers of the supposed lead democrat candidate Whitmer are decreasing, all democrat primary candidates still on the race dream to win this state. The progressive trailbazer Bowman leaded a rally at Dartmouth, while his supporters campaing in other universities of the state.

Meanwhile, after Harris retirement, all candidates left try to catch the endorse of Biden and the voters alineated by him at the same time. One of them, Beshear, has focused on the moderates of the state, as Kloubuchar also does. Fetterman focuses on his 'american worker' coalition, trying to unite urban progressives with rural democrats. His rallies on towns in north of the state has becomd viral.

Paul at NH

Rand Paul has focused all of his resources on this state, where he expects libertarian leaning voters to support him. In fact, he tries to get the support of both his hardcore fiscal conservative base, isolanionists and moderates on social issues. A mix of small business owners and young crypto supportes can be seen in his rallies. At the same time, both pro Trump and anti Trump fanpages have appeared supporting him on social networks, dividido a bit his online base.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2023, 07:00:50 PM »
« Edited: December 21, 2023, 09:31:18 AM by wnwnwn »

THE WASHINGTON SWINGER: 20 JUNUARY, 2028

DEMOCRAT PRIMARIES



REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES



Bowman retires

After his failure in the South Carolina primaries, the progressive politician has retired. Analysts debate on hia failure:

Analysts A: When Bowman announced his run, a number of Green party members, socialists and various other leftists registred democrat to support him. As expected, the DSA and his Squad friends endorsed him. Meanwhile, he trought the progressive wing of the party would unite around him. The reality is that even some progressive democrats care about winning the general. As expected, this includes black voters.

Analysts B: Voters care more about issues than lefty dreams. Black voters voted for Moore. Economic progressives voted for Fetterman. Social progressives voted for Whitmer. They prefer someone who can win and pass things than a politician with controversial allies. It's not like Big Media or those liberal pop stars would all go for him over Rubio or Rand Paul.

DeSantis retires

The former governor of Florida has renounced after two primaries. Some trought his popularity with hardline conservatives would help him, but his plan seem to have failed again. Some exoect him to retire from politics. Analysts debate his failute:

Analyst A: His core suppoters were trumpers at the end of things, they went with the rest. The same with the mdoerates he tried to win in 2024. Nationalists went for Hawley, social conservatives for Rubio and orthodox economic conservatives for Paul. Also, Trump continues joking on him...

Analyst B: He is popular in Florida, but that state it's like its own world. Culture War spam could be good on conservative social media, but it's not like the rest didn't play thst game too and in more mainstream way. Even cubans are divided between him and Rubio.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2023, 09:12:40 PM »
« Edited: December 21, 2023, 11:00:54 AM by wnwnwn »

THE WISCONSIN SWINGER: 15 FEBRUARY, 2028

DEMOCRAT PRIMARIES

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REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES



Fetterman and Paul; the boggest losers?

Both candidates have got a good number of delegates, especially over initial expectations, but they haven't won any states yet. Rand Paul has faith on him being a compromiae candiate between the wings of the party: 'I follow the long time patriotic small goverment conservative principles of the party. We are still the party of Coolidge and Reagan.'

Meanwhile, Fetterman tries to court progressives. He has got the endorse of Sanders, but his polling with young voters is still not the best. The debate will define what happens next.
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2023, 09:01:07 AM »

THE WISCONSIN SWINGER: 22 FEBRUARY, 2028

The Republican Debate: Paul victory?

Rand Paul surprised the audience with his stance on taxes. He mantained his support of a flat tax rate, but 'considering sensible exceptions'. The main surprise was his stated support of 'anti loophole legislation' and 'anti corporate welfare legislation' to 'reduce the size of goverment without hurting our national parks nor our military'.

Out of that, he defended his expected stances in other topics.  Despite his support of Trump, promising to 'continue his legacy on foreing policy', he has shown appeals to anti Trumpers. He closed the debate saying; 'The days of federal overreach and authoritarism have to end. It's time for small and efficent governance. It's time for fairness for every american. Vote with tour heart and mind.'

Trade Fighting

A highlight of the sebaye was the one to one discussion between Rubio and Hawley on trade policy. It started with Rubio supporting a 'policy for all americans, factory workers and consumers alike'. The fair trade lenguage seemed to resonante with the audience, but Hawley critizised his 'flip flops' on the issue, making him remember the times when both supported economic nationalist legislation on the Senate.

Rubio defended his record and stances, gling after that on the attack to Hawley. He called the Missouri senator a 'tool of unions' and 'a man out of touch with small business owners'. Hawley defended his 'pro american worker' record, but those attacks have populated the internet. Rubio may go all of southern suburbs, but can Hawley try to win with the Midwest? We will know after Super Tuesday.

Dem candidates: Out of the South

Leaving his upper south strongholds, Beshear has been lately appealing to hispanics. After his short California tour, he now focuses on Texas, where he is expected to win. Yesterday, a massive rally on Dallas showed the expected latino audience, even if whites were also present.

Meanwhile, Moore has focused on the Midwest and the Northeast. Out of his african american strongholds, he campaing on his 'experience with urban and suburban problems'. On Michigan, a massive rally on Dearborn with a mixed audience may put in question the Whitmer lead in her state. The former governor has focused on the sun belt after months focusing on her Midwest. The result of all and the debate tomorrow of this will be seen in Super Tuesday.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2023, 09:40:44 AM »
« Edited: December 21, 2023, 11:06:33 AM by wnwnwn »

THE WISCONSIN SWINGER: 28 FEBRUARY, 2028

Democrat Primaries



Republican Primaries



Obama and Moore
As Biden has pledged neutrality on the primaries, the former president has decided to endorse the Maryland governor. Even if his debate performance wasn't the best, Obama on the stage may be the ingredient of a recipe for Super Tuesday victories.

Fetterman, considered by some winner of the last debate, got a surprise victory on the Missouri primary where Moore and Beshear were favorites. Meanwhile, Hawley got his expected victory there.

Attacks on Rubio

In sites like 4chan, Reddit, AIForum and X, racist attacks on the Florida senator have become common. Some of them say 'Marco Antonio will let his hermanos latinos enter with a free border' and 'Marco, the candidate of venezuelans'. Other attacks are more specific on his cuban origin, including strange stories on him being a secret communist cuban agent.

President Biden has criticised those attacks. Paul and Hawley have criticised them too, altrought focusing in the fake 'Marco y Castro' stories. Despite this, the #WhiteGOPCandidate movement continue on some social media accounts.
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