Reaction if a Whitmer 2028 candidacy ends up flopping

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

Many posters on this site seem to view Whitmer as a dream candidate. She was the face of her party's reaction to covid, she passes many culture war state bills and won by landslide margins against a candidate everyone agrees by now was heavily flawed.

I see many comparisons to DeSantis. So if Whitmer runs in 2028 and her campaign ends up collapsing, what would your reaction be?

[Duke of York]

That a woman president is all but a dream.

[Del Tachi]

Expected.  Winning a Democratic primary is about putting different ideological/ethnic coalitions together, and the primary calendar/delegate allocation rules make winning Black Southerners vastly overpowered.  Whitmer is a candidate for Chicago wine moms, but when did they ever decide a Democrat primary?

Raphael Warnock or Wes Moore, 2028!   

[ShadowRocket]

I wouldn't have a reaction one way or another.  Its always a toss up as to which Presidential candidates succeed or fail in the national spotlight.  Just this own cycle, who would've thought DeSantis would be struggling while Haley is thriving.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

It's True Whitmer can be deconstructed by a competent republican candidate...which is why she should pressure Biden to step down and run this year because the current batch of GOP candidates are absolute trash

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Expected.  Winning a Democratic primary is about putting different ideological/ethnic coalitions together, and the primary calendar/delegate allocation rules make winning Black Southerners vastly overpowered.  Whitmer is a candidate for Chicago wine moms, but when did they ever decide a Democrat primary?

Raphael Warnock or Wes Moore, 2028!   

I agree she'd lose to someone like Warnock in 2028 but you can't convince me Harris would be favored against her. All Whitmer would have to do is argue she's more "electable" than Harris which would be fairly easy to do. Black voters seem to be drawn to that argument

[Arizona Iced Tea]

She would flop badly honestly, Whitmer would fail miserably with black voters which make up the structure of the Dem primary. Dread from it, run from it, a Wes Moore 2028 ticket arrives all the same (if he wants it).

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

She would flop badly honestly, Whitmer would fail miserably with black voters which make up the structure of the Dem primary. Dread from it, run from it, a Wes Moore 2028 ticket arrives all the same (if he wants it).

Whitmer has the electability card though because she won by big margins in a state that was only narrowly democratic for president in 2016 and 2020. That seems to appeal to AA's

[Sir Mohamed]

It's possible for sure, and would continue the pattern of early hyped candidates that ended up flopping. Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Kamala Harris and Rob!

[Beet]

Not a surprise at all. She seems to be one of those candidates that gets talked about among the politico class but hasn't really demonstrated the ability to attract an enthusiastic national following. Some common examples of this are Mark Warner circa 2006, Marco Rubio 2015, and Ron DeSantis 2022. But on top of them, she also has to deal with sexism in politics, which is not to be underestimated on the Left any less than the Right.

[Sir Mohamed]

She would flop badly honestly, Whitmer would fail miserably with black voters which make up the structure of the Dem primary. Dread from it, run from it, a Wes Moore 2028 ticket arrives all the same (if he wants it).

Whitmer has the electability card though because she won by big margins in a state that was only narrowly democratic for president in 2016 and 2020. That seems to appeal to AA's

True, though both Jeb! and Rob! also won landslides in FL when the previous presidential elections were much closer. Whitmer almost certainly is a better politician and these are, though statewide election results don't necessarily translate to the national stage.

[Del Tachi]

She would flop badly honestly, Whitmer would fail miserably with black voters which make up the structure of the Dem primary. Dread from it, run from it, a Wes Moore 2028 ticket arrives all the same (if he wants it).

Whitmer has the electability card though because she won by big margins in a state that was only narrowly democratic for president in 2016 and 2020. That seems to appeal to AA's

"Electability" is a buzz word establishment Democrats throw around when they can't think of any real reason to justify supporting their preferred goons.  It isn't a real thing.

[MABA 2020]

She could very well end up being the mirror candidate to DeSantis, but I'd be surprised if she completely flopped.

[President Johnson]

She very well could because the national stage is a different game, even when someone proved their electabilty statewide like DeSantis. Still, I DeSantis' main issue is that he comes off as fake and not authetic, which isn't the case with Whitmer. It may also depend on what people she assembles around her in a presidential bid. Kamala for her part had the wrong people in her team and was unable to run the apparatus effectively.

Nonetheless, I definitely believe she has great potential and would be a far, far better choice than Harris for 2028. Whitmer/Moore or Whitmer/Warnock would the heck of a ticket.

[Schiff for Senate]

It's possible for sure, and would continue the pattern of early hyped candidates that ended up flopping. Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Kamala Harris and Rob!

Yeah, tbh this name stands out because I see many obvious parallels between Walker and Whitmer, his Democratic counterpart.

Both would be two-term governors of crucial Upper Midwest swing states, who embodied and pushed through their party's agenda through the state, who were incredibly controversial with the other side (Walker had a recall attempt in 2012; Whitmer was nearly kidnapped) but managed to nonetheless win reelection by larger-than-expected margins (especially important considering how closely divided MI and WI both are).

[Zedonathin2020]

If Biden is still President I would sort of expect it, if Trump is President then I would be overcome with disappointment

[LostInOhio]

She would flop badly honestly, Whitmer would fail miserably with black voters which make up the structure of the Dem primary. Dread from it, run from it, a Wes Moore 2028 ticket arrives all the same (if he wants it).

I think that a Moore/Klobuchar ticket is inevitable at this point. If Biden loses, that will be the ticket in 2028; if he wins & Harris loses in 2028, it will be the 2032 ticket.

Bookmark our posts if you see them because I think we are right about this one.

[Flyersfan232]

She could very well end up being the mirror candidate to DeSantis, but I'd be surprised if she completely flopped.

desantis only flopped because of trump cult polls without trump for the gop primary shows ron leading by 20 points

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Wes Moore is so overrated. What accomplishments does he have? Oh, he's the governor of one of the bluest states in the country woop dee doodle doo. If you want someone who really has appeal to black voters, Warnock wins hands down

[David Hume]

She very well could because the national stage is a different game, even when someone proved their electabilty statewide like DeSantis. Still, I DeSantis' main issue is that he comes off as fake and not authetic, which isn't the case with Whitmer. It may also depend on what people she assembles around her in a presidential bid. Kamala for her part had the wrong people in her team and was unable to run the apparatus effectively.

Nonetheless, I definitely believe she has great potential and would be a far, far better choice than Harris for 2028. Whitmer/Moore or Whitmer/Warnock would the heck of a ticket.

DeSantis' main issue is Trump, who is basically an incumbent. Comparing to fakes like Haley, Vivek, DeSantis is a very authentic conservative. Without Trump, DeSantis wins easily.

Whitmer is facing a completely different situation. The field of 2028 is widely open. Harris is far from the dominating status of Trump. However, Whitmer is not as well known as DeSantis in GOP as well. She has the largest chance to win the general on paper, but how that translates to primary is unclear.

[Pres Mike]

Expected.  Winning a Democratic primary is about putting different ideological/ethnic coalitions together, and the primary calendar/delegate allocation rules make winning Black Southerners vastly overpowered.  Whitmer is a candidate for Chicago wine moms, but when did they ever decide a Democrat primary?

Raphael Warnock or Wes Moore, 2028!   

Black southerns support the "establishment". If Harris doesn't run in 2024, I could see black voters 40+ supporting Whitmer. But that depends on Warnock not running

[Del Tachi]

Expected.  Winning a Democratic primary is about putting different ideological/ethnic coalitions together, and the primary calendar/delegate allocation rules make winning Black Southerners vastly overpowered.  Whitmer is a candidate for Chicago wine moms, but when did they ever decide a Democrat primary?

Raphael Warnock or Wes Moore, 2028!   

Black southerns support the "establishment". If Harris doesn't run in 2024, I could see black voters 40+ supporting Whitmer. But that depends on Warnock not running

What makes Whitmer part of the "establishment"?  She's the progressive governor of a Midwestern state; if anything, she is more Sanders/Warren than Biden/Harris.

Black Southerners are mostly low-information voters who strongly weigh visible idpol factors.  Biden didn't win South Carolina because he's "the establishment", he won because of nearly 100% name recognition and the warm, fuzzy vibes that came with being Obama's VP.  Polls showed that, in a sans-Biden race, most Black voters would have supported Sanders.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Expected.  Winning a Democratic primary is about putting different ideological/ethnic coalitions together, and the primary calendar/delegate allocation rules make winning Black Southerners vastly overpowered.  Whitmer is a candidate for Chicago wine moms, but when did they ever decide a Democrat primary?

Raphael Warnock or Wes Moore, 2028!   

Black southerns support the "establishment". If Harris doesn't run in 2024, I could see black voters 40+ supporting Whitmer. But that depends on Warnock not running

What makes Whitmer part of the "establishment"?  She's the progressive governor of a Midwestern state; if anything, she is more Sanders/Warren than Biden/Harris.

Black Southerners are mostly low-information voters who strongly weigh visible idpol factors.  Biden didn't win South Carolina because he's "the establishment", he won because of nearly 100% name recognition and the warm, fuzzy vibes that came with being Obama's VP.  Polls showed that, in a sans-Biden race, most Black voters would have supported Sanders.

Sanders literally endorsed her opponent in 2018 lol

[jojoju1998]

Expected.  Winning a Democratic primary is about putting different ideological/ethnic coalitions together, and the primary calendar/delegate allocation rules make winning Black Southerners vastly overpowered.  Whitmer is a candidate for Chicago wine moms, but when did they ever decide a Democrat primary?

Raphael Warnock or Wes Moore, 2028!   

Black southerns support the "establishment". If Harris doesn't run in 2024, I could see black voters 40+ supporting Whitmer. But that depends on Warnock not running

What makes Whitmer part of the "establishment"?  She's the progressive governor of a Midwestern state; if anything, she is more Sanders/Warren than Biden/Harris.

Black Southerners are mostly low-information voters who strongly weigh visible idpol factors.  Biden didn't win South Carolina because he's "the establishment", he won because of nearly 100% name recognition and the warm, fuzzy vibes that came with being Obama's VP.  Polls showed that, in a sans-Biden race, most Black voters would have supported Sanders.

I'm sorry, but this is just a brain dead take. Whitmer is popular among African American voters in Michigan. Her problem with black southerners is not that she would not appeal to them, it's the fact that she's not nationally well known.

Governors as a whole more recently, have not garnered national attention, compared to Former Vice Presidents, and Senators.

[jojoju1998]

It's possible for sure, and would continue the pattern of early hyped candidates that ended up flopping. Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Kamala Harris and Rob!

Yeah, tbh this name stands out because I see many obvious parallels between Walker and Whitmer, his Democratic counterpart.

Both would be two-term governors of crucial Upper Midwest swing states, who embodied and pushed through their party's agenda through the state, who were incredibly controversial with the other side (Walker had a recall attempt in 2012; Whitmer was nearly kidnapped) but managed to nonetheless win reelection by larger-than-expected margins (especially important considering how closely divided MI and WI both are).

Whitmer is far more charismatic than Walker is.