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« on: December 05, 2023, 12:44:02 AM »
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A new initiative submitted to the US Congress calls for conditioning American aid to Arab countries on their willingness to receive refugees from Gaza, Israel Hayom has learned.

The proposal was shown to key figures in the House and Senate from both parties. Some who were privy to the details of the text have so far kept a low profile, saying that publicly coming out in favor of the program could derail it.

"Israel is trying to keep civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip as low as possible, but Hamas is not allowing the refugees to leave and Egypt is unwilling to open its borders,"  the plan's authors write in the opening paragraph. They later go on to explain that "the only moral solution is to ensure that Egypt opens its borders and allows for the refugees to flee from the tyrant control of Hamas. The US Government provides Egypt with approximately $1.3 billion in foreign aid, and these funds can be allocated to the refugees from Gaza who will be allowed into Egypt."

They continue: "The neighboring borders have been closed for too long, but it is now clear that in order to free the Gazan population from the tyrannical oppression of Hamas and to allow them to live free of war and bloodshed, Israel must encourage the international community to find the correct, moral and humane avenues for the relocation of the Gazan population."

The plan notes that Egypt should not shoulder the entire burden, but other regional countries should chip in. "Iraq and Yemen receive an approximate $1 billion in US foreign aid, and Turkey receives more than $150 million. Each of these countries receive enough foreign aid and have a large enough population to be able to accept refugees adding up to less than 1% of their population," the stress.

The plan also calls on the US to condition foreign aid to Egypt, Iraq, Yemen, and Turkey on those countries accepting a certain number of refugees.  

The plan even goes so far as to envision how many Gazan residents each of these countries will receive: one million in Egypt (constituting 0.9% of the population there), half a million for Turkey (0.6% of the population in Turkey), 250,000 for Iraq (0.6% of the Iraqi population), and another 250,000 for Yemen (0.75% of the overall population there currently). Each of these countries receives generous financial aid from the US and under the plan, it should continue to be handed out only under the condition that they accept Gazans. It should be noted that the Biden administration opposes the forced removal of Gaza residents from the Strip but has not ruled out voluntary migration for those who choose to do so.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11/29/senior-us-lawmakers-review-plan-that-conditions-aid-on-arab-countries-receiving-gazans/

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Netanyahu is now shopping around a proposal to “thin out” Gaza’s population and expel the surviving residents into neighboring countries—a proposal that he is pitching to the leaders of both parties in Congress.

This policy, amounting to a second Nakba, would not only be a moral atrocity; it would destroy the reputation of Israel and the United States around the world for decades to come. The consequences of this policy, in terms of future terrorism and also loss of international credibility and fraying of alliances, would be incalculable.

The only way for Biden to stop this catastrophe is to reject the bear-hug strategy and openly set forth the consequences to Netanyahu of pursuing ethnic cleansing. But there’s little evidence that Biden has either the inclination or the will to take such a step.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/biden-netanyahu-bear-hug-disaster/
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2023, 12:46:16 AM »

Yemen has been in civil war for 9 years. Absolutely batsh**t crazy.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2023, 12:47:11 AM »

This is displacement and goes against human rights conventions.


Every human being shall have the right to be protected against being arbitrarily displaced from his or her home or place of habitual residence.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2023, 12:49:52 AM »

Israel is creating a giant migrant crisis, and eventually the West will take the brunt of it.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2023, 12:50:24 AM »

Anyone paying attention to Likud's rhetoric lately knew that this was coming. They no longer see a two-state solution as viable. Their plan is to depopulate the Gaza Strip completely, and the West Bank is probably next.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2023, 12:52:51 AM »

Ideally, Gaza should just be fully integrated into Egypt.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2023, 12:53:13 AM »

Anyone paying attention to Likud's rhetoric lately knew that this was coming. They no longer see a two-state solution as viable. Their plan is to depopulate the Gaza Strip completely, and the West Bank is probably next.

And with Israeli demographics so lopsided in favor of the Dati Leumi and other assorted radical right wing sects, any establishment centrist coalition that gets in next election is on borrowed time.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2023, 12:53:51 AM »

Anyone paying attention to Likud's rhetoric lately knew that this was coming. They no longer see a two-state solution as viable. Their plan is to depopulate the Gaza Strip completely, and the West Bank is probably next.

I am just surprised that Israel is bold enough to pitch this plan directly to the US Congress.
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2023, 12:54:03 AM »

Ideally, Gaza should just be fully integrated into Egypt.

Not going to happen so long as Egypt doesn't want Gaza and your beloved Bibi wants more land.
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2023, 12:58:07 AM »

Ideally, Gaza should just be fully integrated into Egypt.
Ideally, Israel shouldn't be colonizing Palestine but here we are.
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2023, 01:21:42 AM »

Does General MacArthur get compensation for being banned?
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2023, 01:29:48 AM »

Israel is creating a giant migrant crisis, and eventually the West will take the brunt of it.

Israel pushing its Palestinian problem onto the West would DESTROY right wing support for Israel faster than the left could scream “ethnic cleansing”.

The issue with expulsion is you need somewhere to expel them to and neither the other Arab states nor the West want to take them. The Palestinians are Israel’s problem alone.
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2023, 01:49:47 AM »

But I had post removed for saying Israel was committing ethnic cleansing and wanting to take over Gaza Huh
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2023, 10:57:48 AM »

This is displacement and goes against human rights conventions.


Every human being shall have the right to be protected against being arbitrarily displaced from his or her home or place of habitual residence.

Is anyone really surprised?

The United States has long allowed Israel to violate international laws with impunity.
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2023, 11:12:12 AM »

You don't have to be a rose twitter leftist to think this is horrendous and a disaster waiting to happen. Also, maybe a uhh...war crime.
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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2023, 11:27:25 AM »

The leftists are just whining, there is no Israeli plan to depopulate Gaza and other countries do not want those refugees.
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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2023, 11:41:00 AM »

The leftists are just whining, there is no Israeli plan to depopulate Gaza and other countries do not want those refugees.

Stop lying to yourself.
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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2023, 12:17:48 PM »

Conditioning aid on never permitting refugee status to be passed down through generations and on permitting certain kinds of immigration is a perfectly reasonable policy which will help lots of people escape a war-zone, and also receive much better economic conditions. As long as nobody is forcibly expelled and the decisions are all taken by individuals and families, this is obviously good. (But I guess it would be a second Nakba in a certain sense, since the first one was also people voluntarily leaving a government they didn't want to live under. The difference would hopefully be that this time the countries that they are migrating to treat them better, though unfortunately the history of the region suggests this won't actually be the case).

I also wonder how much -- if any -- pressure from Central European countries is contributing to making this happen. Inconvenient though it is for the pro-Palestinian narrative in the United States, the US has allies who are actually very interested in incentivizing Middle Eastern countries to take and keep Middle Eastern migrants.
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2023, 12:24:37 PM »

The leftists are just whining, there is no Israeli plan to depopulate Gaza and other countries do not want those refugees.

The first source is from a right wing pro-Netanyahu paper…
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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2023, 12:26:07 PM »

The leftists are just whining, there is no Israeli plan to depopulate Gaza and other countries do not want those refugees.

The first source is from a right wing pro-Netanyahu paper…

Yeah, the story is most likely true as a result.

That being said, I think there's a small chance that this is Bibi types trying to psy op the rest of Israel into believing "hey, our insane ethnic cleansing plan is actually popular guys, we can totally do it!"
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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2023, 12:30:18 PM »

This bat**** administration in Israel won't be around long enough for any long-term plans, so anything they propose should be taken with a full salt lick.
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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2023, 12:36:26 PM »

The leftists are just whining, there is no Israeli plan to depopulate Gaza and other countries do not want those refugees.

The first source is from a right wing pro-Netanyahu paper…

This is what Harris said two days ago:

“Under no circumstances will the United States permit the forced relocation of Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, the besiegement of Gaza, or the redrawing of the borders of Gaza”

Most likely, Harris has seen or heard of the plan.

Too bad this came from Harris instead of Biden.
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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2023, 12:41:27 PM »

the first one was also people voluntarily leaving a government they didn't want to live under.

Then you are just denying the Nakba altogether and not even mainstream Israeli historians still ascribe to this extreme negationism.

I hope that everybody will treat Vosem's musings on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as the white noise it is, if they didn't already.
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2023, 12:56:43 PM »

You don't have to be a rose twitter leftist to think this is horrendous and a disaster waiting to happen. Also, maybe a uhh...war crime.

Yeah, if Syria wasn't bad enough, this would be even more destabilizing.

And does no one think that actions like this wouldn't radicalize at least some of those forcefully expelled? The terrorist propaganda writes itself. If your goal is to prevent more Hamas type groups... this likely would lead to the opposite.
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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2023, 12:57:43 PM »

You don't have to be a rose twitter leftist to think this is horrendous and a disaster waiting to happen. Also, maybe a uhh...war crime.

Yeah, if Syria wasn't bad enough, this would be even more destabilizing.

And does no one think that actions like this wouldn't radicalize at least some of those forcefully expelled? The terrorist propaganda writes itself. If your goal is to prevent more Hamas type groups... this likely would lead to the opposite.

Compromise plan for Israel - we settle the entire population of Palestine in US swing states and see how that goes for them.
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