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« on: December 02, 2023, 11:19:31 PM »
« edited: December 03, 2023, 12:32:16 PM by wnwnwn »

Mario Vargas Llosa (1938-)

TTL: A socialist writer in his youth, he became a fiscal conservative between the 70s and 80s. A Nobel Prize winner, he is nowadays a revered but sometimes controversial conservative intelectual.

1960: Dobbs (Socialist Workers)
1964: Johnson (Democrat)
1968: Halstead (Socialist Workers)
1972: McGovern (Democrat)
1976: Carter (Democrat)
1980: Anderson (Independient)
1984: Reagan (Republican)
1988: Bush Sr (Republican)
1992: Bush Sr (Republican)
1996: Dole (Republican)
2000: Bush Jr (Republican)
2004: Bush Jr (Republican)
2008: McCain (Republican)
2012: Rommel (Republican)
2016: Trump (Republican)
2020: Trump (Republican)

Alberto Fujimori (1938-)

TTL: An engineer and college profesor who apreciates 'competent candidates'.

1960: Nixon (Republican)
1964: Johnson (Democrat)
1968: Nixon (Republican)
1972: Nixon (Republican)
1976: Ford (Republican)
1980: Anderson (Independient)
1984: Reagan (Republican)
1988: Dukakis (Democrat)
1992: Perot (Independient)
1996: Perot (Reform)
2000: Bush Jr (Republican)
2004: Bush Jr (Republican)
2008: Obama (Democrat)
2012: Rommel (Republican)
2016: Trump (Republican)
2020: Trump (Republican)

Alan Garcia (1949-2019)

ITL: A populist democrat politician in the 1980s. Later, he left politics and became a more 'centrist' intelectual.

1972: McGovern (Democrat)
1976: Carter (Democrat)
1980: Carter (Democrat)
1984: Mondale (Democrat)
1988: Dukakis (Democrat)
1992: Perot (Independient)
1996: Clinton (Democrat)
2000: Gore (Democrat)
2004: Bush Jr (Republican)
2008: Obama (Democrat)
2012: Rommel (Republican)
2016: Trump (Republican)

Abimael Guzman (1934-2021)

A marxist college profesor who radicalised too much in 1980.

1956: Hass (Socialist Labor)
1960: Hass (Socialist Labor)
1964: DeBerry (Socialist Workers)
1968: Halstead (Socialist Workers)
1972: Hall (Communist)
1976: Hall (Communist)
1980-2020: Not voting
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2023, 09:38:45 AM »

Fernando Collor

1972: Nixon
1976: Carter
1980: Anderson
1984: Reagan
1998: Bush Sr.
1992: Perot
1996: Clinton
2000: Bush Jr.
2004: Bush Jr.
2008: McCain
2012: Romney
2016: Trump
2020: Trump
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2023, 05:12:58 PM »

Getúlio Vargas, assuming he's a progressive who later became a Democrat:

1904: Theodore Roosevelt
1908: William Howard Taft
1912: Woodrow Wilson
1916: Charles Hughes
1920: Warren Harding
1924: Robert La Folette
1928: Herbert Hoover
1932–1944: FDR
1948: Harry Truman
1952: Dwight D. Eisenhower
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2023, 01:44:23 AM »

Kaiser Willhelm II
1880: Hancock
1884: Cleveland
1888: Cleveland
1892: Cleveland
1896: Palmer
1900: McKinley
1904: TR
1908: Taft
1912: Taft
1916: Wilson
1920: Harding
1924: Coolidge
1928: Hoover
1932: Hoover
1936: Landon
1940: Willkie
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2023, 02:01:14 AM »

Sonic the Hedgehog

1988: Dukakis
1992: Perot
1996: Nader
2000: Nader
2004: Badnarik
2008: Obama
2012: Johnson
2016: Johnson
2020: Biden
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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2023, 09:29:29 AM »

Sonic the Hedgehog

1988: Dukakis
1992: Perot
1996: Nader
2000: Nader
2004: Badnarik
2008: Obama
2012: Johnson
2016: Johnson
2020: Biden
Sonic is based on Bill Clinton and he never votes for him? That's a surprise.
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2023, 10:07:07 AM »

Sonic the Hedgehog

1988: Dukakis
1992: Perot
1996: Nader
2000: Nader
2004: Badnarik
2008: Obama
2012: Johnson
2016: Johnson
2020: Biden
Sonic is based on Bill Clinton and he never votes for him? That's a surprise.

Never realized that. I was kind of thinking of a vintage atlas thread where someone said “sonic the hedgehog would be a libertarian because libertarians would let him run wherever he wants.” lol
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2023, 10:07:55 AM »

Never realized that. I was kind of thinking of a vintage atlas thread where someone said “sonic the hedgehog would be a libertarian because libertarians would let him run wherever he wants.” lol
"Is Sonic A Libertarian" - the greatest thread in the history of forums, locked by a moderator after 12239 pages of heated debate,
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2023, 10:35:53 AM »

I think Keira Knightley would have been a solid D voter had she been an American instead of a Brit.
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2023, 06:33:47 PM »

José Bonifácio de Andrada e Silva

1796: Adams
1800: Adams
1804: Pinckney
1808: Madison
1812: Madison
1816: Monroe
1820: Monroe
1824: Clay
1828: JQA
1832: Jackson
1836: Harrison
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2023, 07:38:27 PM »

Oliver Cromwell would probably be a fairly consistent Federalist-Whig-Know Nothing-Republican though I could see him potentially voting for FDR.
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2023, 10:23:23 AM »

Fujimori, junior and senior, would never even think of voting anything other than Republican. (Don't blame me: alt-universe Steve from Lima would have voted for Pedro Castillo.)
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2023, 10:29:29 AM »

Konrad Adenauer
1908: William Howard Taft
1912: Theodore Roosevelt
1916: Charles Hughes
1920: Warren G. Harding
1924: Calvin Coolidge
1928: Herbert Hoover
1932: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1936: Alf Landon
1940: Wendell Wilkie
1944: Thomas Dewey
1948: Thomas Dewey
1952: Dwight Eisenhower
1956: Dwight Eisenhower
1960: Richard Nixon
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2023, 10:50:00 AM »

Fujimori, junior and senior, would never even think of voting anything other than Republican. (Don't blame me: alt-universe Steve from Lima would have voted for Pedro Castillo.)
Alberto run to the left of MVLL in the 1990 elections (well, in economic issues, but it was what mattered in that election). Also, he was more of a pragmatist following the Washington Consensus than an ideological right winger. Obviously, his life has make him more of a right winger since the 90s.
Now, I don't think he would have entered politics outside of a particular context like Peru in the late 80s and early 90s. That didn't happen in the USA.
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2023, 09:40:20 AM »

Joan of Arc would likely vote Republican from 1972 (since she was killed at 19) onwards, due to their association with religion, social conservatism and the military.
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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2023, 06:32:11 PM »

Boris Johnson would probably be a consistent R voter from 1984 to the present except I could possibly see him voting for Perot in 92.
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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2023, 09:47:00 PM »

Francisco Franco, assuming he's a McCarthy-Edgar Hoover conservative Republican:

1928: Herbert Hoover
1932: Herbert Hoover
1936: Alf Landon
1940: Wendell Wilkie
1944: Thomas Dewey
1948: Thomas Dewey
1952: Dwight Eisenhower
1956: Dwight Eisenhower
1960: Richard Nixon
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson
1968: Richard Nixon
1972: Richard Nixon
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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2023, 10:04:06 AM »

Winston Churchill, assuming he's a McKinley Republican (conservative, protectionist and imperialist):

1896: McKinley
1900: McKinley
1904: Roosevelt
1908: Taft
1912: Taft
1916: Hughes
1920: Harding
1924: Coolidge
1928: Hoover
1932: Hoover
1936: Landon
1940 and 1944: FDR
1948: Dewey
1952: Eisenhower
1956: Eisenhower
1960: Nixon
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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2023, 10:55:26 AM »

Winston Churchill, assuming he's a McKinley Republican (conservative, protectionist and imperialist):

1896: McKinley
1900: McKinley
1904: Roosevelt
1908: Taft
1912: Taft
1916: Hughes
1920: Harding
1924: Coolidge
1928: Hoover
1932: Hoover
1936: Landon
1940 and 1944: FDR
1948: Dewey
1952: Eisenhower
1956: Eisenhower
1960: Nixon

He was a free trader.
He surely voted for Davis in 1924.
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« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2023, 09:08:19 PM »

Mario Vargas Llosa (1938-)

TTL: A socialist writer in his youth, he became a fiscal conservative between the 70s and 80s. A Nobel Prize winner, he is nowadays a revered but sometimes controversial conservative intelectual.

1960: Dobbs (Socialist Workers)
1964: Johnson (Democrat)
1968: Halstead (Socialist Workers)
1972: McGovern (Democrat)
1976: Carter (Democrat)
1980: Anderson (Independient)
1984: Reagan (Republican)
1988: Bush Sr (Republican)
1992: Bush Sr (Republican)
1996: Dole (Republican)
2000: Bush Jr (Republican)
2004: Bush Jr (Republican)
2008: McCain (Republican)
2012: Rommel (Republican)
2016: Trump (Republican)
2020: Trump (Republican)

I think Vargas Llosa would not have voted for Trump either time. He didn’t endorse Fujimori until her opponent was Pedro Castillo, a man who managed to prove to be even less committed to democracy than her.
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« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2023, 01:03:40 PM »

Mario Vargas Llosa (1938-)

TTL: A socialist writer in his youth, he became a fiscal conservative between the 70s and 80s. A Nobel Prize winner, he is nowadays a revered but sometimes controversial conservative intelectual.

1960: Dobbs (Socialist Workers)
1964: Johnson (Democrat)
1968: Halstead (Socialist Workers)
1972: McGovern (Democrat)
1976: Carter (Democrat)
1980: Anderson (Independient)
1984: Reagan (Republican)
1988: Bush Sr (Republican)
1992: Bush Sr (Republican)
1996: Dole (Republican)
2000: Bush Jr (Republican)
2004: Bush Jr (Republican)
2008: McCain (Republican)
2012: Rommel (Republican)
2016: Trump (Republican)
2020: Trump (Republican)

I think Vargas Llosa would not have voted for Trump either time. He didn’t endorse Fujimori until her opponent was Pedro Castillo, a man who managed to prove to be even less committed to democracy than her.
MVLL is an ideological fiscal conservative since the 80s and he has been close in the last years with spaniard social conservatives (including Vox nowadays). His rivalty with Keiko Fujimori is something more personal than ideological.
He would have supported other candidate in the 2016 primaries, but still maybe voted republican in the general. He opposed Trump IRL, but an american Vargas Llosa would have probably endep up being more conservative that the one   in OTL.
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« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2023, 01:53:50 PM »

Charles de Gaulle, assuming he was a Catholic conservative who later became a Rockefeller Republican:

1912: William Howard Taft
1916: Woodrow Wilson
1920: Warren G. Harding
1924: Calvin Coolidge
1928: Herbert Hoover
1932: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1936: Alf Landon
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1948: Thomas Dewey
1952: Dwight Eisenhower
1956: Dwight Eisenhower
1960: Richard Nixon
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson
1968: Richard Nixon
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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2023, 11:35:08 PM »

My vision for Churchill:

1896: McKinley (R)
2900: McKinley (R)
1904: Parker (D)
1908: Taft (R)
1912: Wilson (D)
1916: Hughes (R)
1920: Harding (R)
1924: Davis (D)
1928: Hoover (R)
1932: Roosevelt (D)
1936: Roosevelt (D)
1940: Wilkie (R)
1944: Roosevelt (D)
1948: Dewey (R)
1952: Eisenhower (R)
1956: Eisenhower (R)
1960: Nixon (R)
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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2024, 09:36:48 AM »

My vision for Churchill:

1896: McKinley (R)
2900: McKinley (R)
1904: Parker (D)
1908: Taft (R)
1912: Wilson (D)
1916: Hughes (R)
1920: Harding (R)
1924: Davis (D)
1928: Hoover (R)
1932: Roosevelt (D)
1936: Roosevelt (D)
1940: Wilkie (R)
1944: Roosevelt (D)
1948: Dewey (R)
1952: Eisenhower (R)
1956: Eisenhower (R)
1960: Nixon (R)

I can see him being part of the 1912 split given his party-switching and troublemaking tendencies.
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2024, 08:43:55 PM »

Antônio de Oliveira Salazar, assuming he's an authoritarian corporatist similar to Huey Long minus the populism:

1912: Theodore Roosevelt
1916: Charles Hughes
1920: Warren Harding
1924: Robert La Follette
1928: Herbert Hoover
1932: FDR
1936: William Lemke
1940: Wendell Wilkie
1944: Thomas Dewey
1948: Thomas Dewey
1952: Dwight Eisenhower
1956: Dwight Eisenhower
1960: Richard Nixon
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson
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