The 2024 election if Biden chanted "From the River to the Sea"
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Vice President Christian Man
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« on: November 26, 2023, 07:11:29 PM »

Case in point:

Do these people expect Biden to chant "from the river to the sea" along with them



If Biden took this position rather than the one he currently has, what do you think the final EC vote would look like?  This would be my guess.
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2023, 07:29:10 AM »

If Joe Biden said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" on a single occasion to make a single political point, it would be written off as a gaffe, much like how his "tomorrow is Super Thursday" and "go... you know... you know the thing!" comments during the 2020 primary season had been pretty much forgotten by the time of the Presidential Election. You might as well look at today's RaceToTheWH forecast instead.

If Joe Biden said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" on multiple occasions, it would be a marked break from the Western consensus, which is either to argue for occasional humanitarian pauses (UK, Germany, Austria, the real-world US) or a lasting ceasefire (most other NATO members) - as well as from the broad American consensus that Israel should be supported in the status quo and, at the very least, a two-state solution agreed in the future. If this was a consistent position of his, I have no idea how the election would shape out; that would imply a more radical Biden than we know. I'm not even sure he'd have survived the 2020 primaries - Sanders, at the very least, has a pro-Israel track record but is sympathetic to Palestine.

If this was something he'd just started saying after October 7th, he'd be loved by the Progressive caucus but eaten alive by the New Democratic caucus - which isn't how Joe Biden normally operates, if you're not au fait with Democratic internal politics. I don't think America First needs much in the way of introduction here, but Trump has been rather firmly in Israel's corner when it's come to it. I'd be inclined to agree with Christian Man's map in such a case, albeit with NM held by the Democrats and MN flipped by the Republicans.

If the Biden administration were actively funding and supporting Hamas forces with the stated aim of helping them destroy the Israeli state, then the 2024 election would be contested between Gavin Newsom and Donald Trump. Hamas is a terrorist organisation in all Western countries and was among the first to have been declared a FTO by the US. (It's considered safe to support Fatah and the Palestinian Authority, who control the West Bank.) No President can survive the implementation of such a policy. Joe Biden, who's posturing as a serious leader within NATO on foreign policy issues and has a net approval of around -15 as of this writing, would be absolutely destroyed for doing so.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2023, 03:04:58 PM »

He will never do that.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2023, 05:50:59 PM »

IF he started saying that, Democrats should kiss any hope of beating Trump goodbye, they would probably see a situation where New Mexico is competitive, and Wisconsin goes to Trump by 10
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2023, 06:02:31 PM »

I mean, he would lose the primary, right? Newsom would declare the next day, Schumer and Jeffries would endorse him, and the cabinet would have some seriously hard decisions to make. If the President suddenly starts advocating genocide towards a nuclear ally, they're not going to be President for long and certainly not after the next election.
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