Polling shows a huge age gap divides the Democratic Party on Israel

[pppolitics]

[...]

Take a look at a recent Quinnipiac University poll on the topic. Biden’s approval rating for his handling of the Israel-Hamas War among Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters is just 56%. Compare that to his 76% approval rating among Democratic voters for his overall job performance.

A significant minority of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters (36%) disapprove of his handling of the war. Those voters tend to be young.

The lion’s share (69%) of Democrats and Democratic-leaning younger than 35 disapprove of how Biden is responding to the war. Just 24% approve. It’s the inverse among older Democrats. Most Democrats 65 and older (77%) approve of Biden on this issue. Few (16%) disapprove.

The cause of the split is pretty clear when you dig deeper into the data. Biden has been, by most neutral accounts, more sympathetic to Israel than Palestinians during the war. That doesn’t sit well with younger Democrats.

When asked which side they sympathize with, Israelis or Palestinians, more, Democrats younger than 35 are far more likely to sympathize with Palestinians (74%) than Israelis (16%). Democrats 65 and older are somewhat more likely to side with Israelis (45%) than Palestinians (25%).

The large divide by age causes Democrats and Democratic leaning voters overall to split basically evenly, with 39% sympathizing with Palestinians and 35% with Israelis.

This is a massive shift from the beginning of the Israel-Hamas War, when Democrats were more likely to sympathize with Israel by a 48% to 22% margin. That poll was taken in the immediate aftermath of a surprise terrorist attack by Hamas on October 7 that killed about 1,200 people. Since that time, Israel has mounted an offensive in Gaza, and the Hamas-controlled Ministry of Health says more than 10,000 Palestinians have died.

The age breakdown that we’re seeing now, though, goes deeper than just this war or the relationship between Israelis and Palestinians. It comes down to whether Democrats see Israel as a partner.

Most Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters (70%) believe that supporting Israel is in the national interest. This includes 87% of those 65 and older.

Democrats younger than 35 see things entirely differently. Just 40% think backing Israel is in the national interest of this country. The majority (52%) disagree.

Perhaps not surprisingly, these younger Democrats don’t think we should be supplying military aid to Israel in its war with Hamas. A mere 21% agree that we should, while 77% are against it. Older Democrats are for it by a 53% to 32% margin.

In total, Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters were 49% in opposition to 44% in support.

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/20/politics/polling-democrats-divided-israel-palestine/index.html

[pppolitics]

I know someone is going to ask: Why do we need another thread on this topic?

According to my own experience (anecdotal evidence), this poll is shockingly accurate.

I haven't seen other polls cover the topic this well.

[Alben Barkley]

This is what happens when history education in this country is an abject failure, to the point 25% of Generation Z denies the Holocaust and 2/3rds thinks it wasn't as bad as 6 million Jews dead.

Unlike the older generations, they don't even understand why Israel exists in the first place, and just falsely view this as a battle of the strong Israelis vs. the weak Palestinians as a result, without any understanding of the historical context which saw Israel have to fight tooth and nail just to exist while under attack from their neighbors who refused to recognize them for decades.

Also, when you're too young to even remember 9/11, maybe as an American at least you won't realize how much of a threat Islamic terrorism really is, and thus have a more indifferent reaction to 10/7. Compound this with getting all your information from the CCP-backed TikTok and reading fewer actual books and news articles than ever, and this is the result.

This is all the result of IGNORANCE. Pure IGNORANCE. Worse, ignorance masquerading as holier-than-thou "enlightenment," all because these gullible young people saw some Twitter/X threads with fake news about how Israel is deliberately murdering innocent Palestinians, the opposite of what actually happened.

And it's only going to get worse. Before you know it they'll be arguing Bin Laden wasn't so bad... Wait, that's already happening. Or that Taiwan isn't a country... Wait, that's happening too.

F--k.

Ban TikTok and ban it now.

[pppolitics]

This is what happens when history education in this country is an abject failure, to the point 25% of Generation Z denies the Holocaust and 2/3rds thinks it wasn't as bad as 6 million Jews dead.

Unlike the older generations, they don't even understand why Israel exists in the first place, and just falsely view this as a battle of the strong Israelis vs. the weak Palestinians as a result, without any understanding of the historical context which saw Israel have to fight tooth and nail just to exist while under attack from their neighbors who refused to recognize them for decades.

Also, when you're too young to even remember 9/11, maybe as an American at least you won't realize how much of a threat Islamic terrorism really is, and thus have a more indifferent reaction to 10/7. Compound this with getting all your information from the CCP-backed TikTok and reading fewer actual books and news articles than ever, and this is the result.

This is all the result of IGNORANCE. Pure IGNORANCE. Worse, ignorance masquerading as holier-than-thou "enlightenment," all because these gullible young people saw some Twitter/X threads with fake news about how Israel is deliberately murdering innocent Palestinians, the opposite of what actually happened.

And it's only going to get worse. Before you know it they'll be arguing Bin Laden wasn't so bad... Wait, that's already happening. Or that Taiwan isn't a country... Wait, that's happening too.

F--k.

Ban TikTok and ban it now.

That are few things more condescending than a boomer talking down to younger generations.

It's not because of "IGNORANCE", but rather, different life experiences that give up different perspectives.

[Horus]

This is what happens when history education in this country is an abject failure, to the point 25% of Generation Z denies the Holocaust and 2/3rds thinks it wasn't as bad as 6 million Jews dead.

Unlike the older generations, they don't even understand why Israel exists in the first place, and just falsely view this as a battle of the strong Israelis vs. the weak Palestinians as a result, without any understanding of the historical context which saw Israel have to fight tooth and nail just to exist while under attack from their neighbors who refused to recognize them for decades.

Also, when you're too young to even remember 9/11, maybe as an American at least you won't realize how much of a threat Islamic terrorism really is, and thus have a more indifferent reaction to 10/7. Compound this with getting all your information from the CCP-backed TikTok and reading fewer actual books and news articles than ever, and this is the result.

This is all the result of IGNORANCE. Pure IGNORANCE. Worse, ignorance masquerading as holier-than-thou "enlightenment," all because these gullible young people saw some Twitter/X threads with fake news about how Israel is deliberately murdering innocent Palestinians, the opposite of what actually happened.

And it's only going to get worse. Before you know it they'll be arguing Bin Laden wasn't so bad... Wait, that's already happening. Or that Taiwan isn't a country... Wait, that's happening too.

F--k.

Ban TikTok and ban it now.

Seek help.

[7,052,770]

I'm not really sure how the logistics of banning TikTok would even work, as the foreign intelligence services that are poisoning the minds of our youth would just move on to other social media services, but it sure was one of the most dramatic failures (of both parties!) of the last century for America to just sit back and let this happen.

[Horus]

Repost about the Gen Z panic sweeping normie red avs -

Should have realized sooner that Gen Z was going to ruin this country.

Most pro universal healthcare generation in history.

Most pro ssm generation in history.

Exit polls in Ohio show them to be at least as pro choice as millennials.

Poll after poll shows any difference in Ukraine support from older generations is marginal.

But since they have more nuanced views on Israel-Palestine and won't just go along with the status quo, apparently they're ruining the country. Not the boomers who got us into countless useless wars, not the greed is good Gen Xers who stand in the way of many standard center left economic reforms, it's the generally good hearted if a bit idealistic kids who are saying hey maybe we shouldn't fund war crimes that are the problem. The neurotic hatred of Gen Z on this forum is wild.

[pppolitics]

I'm not really sure how the logistics of banning TikTok would even work, as the foreign intelligence services that are poisoning the minds of our youth would just move on to other social media services, but it sure was one of the most dramatic failures (of both parties!) of the last century for America to just sit back and let this happen.

You also have to ban every social media website and the internet so people can't post photos and videos taken from Gaza.

[7,052,770]

Repost about the Gen Z panic sweeping normie red avs -

Should have realized sooner that Gen Z was going to ruin this country.

Most pro universal healthcare generation in history.

Most pro ssm generation in history.

Exit polls in Ohio show them to be at least as pro choice as millennials.

Poll after poll shows any difference in Ukraine support from older generations is marginal.

But since they have more nuanced views on Israel-Palestine and won't just go along with the status quo, apparently they're ruining the country. Not the boomers who got us into countless useless wars, not the greed is good Gen Xers who stand in the way of many standard center left economic reforms, it's the generally good hearted if a bit idealistic kids who are saying hey maybe we shouldn't fund war crimes that are the problem. The neurotic hatred of Gen Z on this forum is wild.

It's possible for Gen Z to be good on some issues and bad on others, just like all the rest of the generations. This particular issue is probably their worst (either that or eating detergent or whatever they were doing a few years ago), but saying that doesn't invalidate their best.

And I'll add that my personal experience with Gen Z hires at work has been universally very positive.

[pppolitics]

Repost about the Gen Z panic sweeping normie red avs -

Should have realized sooner that Gen Z was going to ruin this country.

Most pro universal healthcare generation in history.

Most pro ssm generation in history.

Exit polls in Ohio show them to be at least as pro choice as millennials.

Poll after poll shows any difference in Ukraine support from older generations is marginal.

But since they have more nuanced views on Israel-Palestine and won't just go along with the status quo, apparently they're ruining the country. Not the boomers who got us into countless useless wars, not the greed is good Gen Xers who stand in the way of many standard center left economic reforms, it's the generally good hearted if a bit idealistic kids who are saying hey maybe we shouldn't fund war crimes that are the problem. The neurotic hatred of Gen Z on this forum is wild.

It's possible for Gen Z to be good on some issues and bad on others, just like all the rest of the generations. This particular issue is probably their worst (either that or eating detergent or whatever they were doing a few years ago), but saying that doesn't invalidate their best.

And I'll add that my personal experience with Gen Z hires at work has been universally very positive.

What is different nowadays is that anyone can take photos and videos and post them on the internet for others to see.

The mainstream media can no longer act as the sole gatekeeper and shape the narrative.

Gen-Z(s) were practically born on the internet.

[Horus]

Repost about the Gen Z panic sweeping normie red avs -

Should have realized sooner that Gen Z was going to ruin this country.

Most pro universal healthcare generation in history.

Most pro ssm generation in history.

Exit polls in Ohio show them to be at least as pro choice as millennials.

Poll after poll shows any difference in Ukraine support from older generations is marginal.

But since they have more nuanced views on Israel-Palestine and won't just go along with the status quo, apparently they're ruining the country. Not the boomers who got us into countless useless wars, not the greed is good Gen Xers who stand in the way of many standard center left economic reforms, it's the generally good hearted if a bit idealistic kids who are saying hey maybe we shouldn't fund war crimes that are the problem. The neurotic hatred of Gen Z on this forum is wild.

It's possible for Gen Z to be good on some issues and bad on others, just like all the rest of the generations. This particular issue is probably their worst (either that or eating detergent or whatever they were doing a few years ago), but saying that doesn't invalidate their best.

And I'll add that my personal experience with Gen Z hires at work has been universally very positive.

Their general views on Israel are logically consistent. You don't like it because it doesn't fit the narrative that the West is always in the right, but they're consistent.

Super pro Israel people love to tell me that the situation is complicated, but for the past several decades policy towards Israel has been incredibly submissive. I'm just glad we finally have a generation that is able to see both sides of this conflict and how unfair US policy has been for all this time. It's very refreshing.

[7,052,770]

Repost about the Gen Z panic sweeping normie red avs -

Should have realized sooner that Gen Z was going to ruin this country.

Most pro universal healthcare generation in history.

Most pro ssm generation in history.

Exit polls in Ohio show them to be at least as pro choice as millennials.

Poll after poll shows any difference in Ukraine support from older generations is marginal.

But since they have more nuanced views on Israel-Palestine and won't just go along with the status quo, apparently they're ruining the country. Not the boomers who got us into countless useless wars, not the greed is good Gen Xers who stand in the way of many standard center left economic reforms, it's the generally good hearted if a bit idealistic kids who are saying hey maybe we shouldn't fund war crimes that are the problem. The neurotic hatred of Gen Z on this forum is wild.

It's possible for Gen Z to be good on some issues and bad on others, just like all the rest of the generations. This particular issue is probably their worst (either that or eating detergent or whatever they were doing a few years ago), but saying that doesn't invalidate their best.

And I'll add that my personal experience with Gen Z hires at work has been universally very positive.

What is different nowadays is that anyone can take photos and videos and post them on the internet for others to see.

The mainstream media can no longer act as the sole gatekeeper and shape the narrative.

The "mainstream media" was a hell of a lot more honest and objective than random social media accounts that are literally run by trolls and foreign intelligence agencies, that's for damn sure.

[pppolitics]

Repost about the Gen Z panic sweeping normie red avs -

Should have realized sooner that Gen Z was going to ruin this country.

Most pro universal healthcare generation in history.

Most pro ssm generation in history.

Exit polls in Ohio show them to be at least as pro choice as millennials.

Poll after poll shows any difference in Ukraine support from older generations is marginal.

But since they have more nuanced views on Israel-Palestine and won't just go along with the status quo, apparently they're ruining the country. Not the boomers who got us into countless useless wars, not the greed is good Gen Xers who stand in the way of many standard center left economic reforms, it's the generally good hearted if a bit idealistic kids who are saying hey maybe we shouldn't fund war crimes that are the problem. The neurotic hatred of Gen Z on this forum is wild.

It's possible for Gen Z to be good on some issues and bad on others, just like all the rest of the generations. This particular issue is probably their worst (either that or eating detergent or whatever they were doing a few years ago), but saying that doesn't invalidate their best.

And I'll add that my personal experience with Gen Z hires at work has been universally very positive.

What is different nowadays is that anyone can take photos and videos and post them on the internet for others to see.

The mainstream media can no longer act as the sole gatekeeper and shape the narrative.

The "mainstream media" was a hell of a lot more honest and objective than random social media accounts that are literally run by trolls and foreign intelligence agencies, that's for damn sure.

I literally just talked about this:

What is different nowadays is that anyone can take photos and videos and post them on the internet for others to see.

The mainstream media can no longer act as the sole gatekeeper and shape the narrative.

Gen-Z(s) were practically born on the internet.

[7,052,770]

Their general views on Israel are logically consistent. You don't like it because it doesn't fit the narrative that the West is always in the right, but they're consistent.

Really dumb hill to die on. Every single time "the West" has been on one side of a debate or conflict, and Russia/China have been on the other side, "the West" has been in the right. Literally always, 100%, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

No, Israel isn't close to being perfect, they're led by a racist madman, but it's not like we didn't exit that glass house 3 years ago. However, Hamas is pure evil, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, authoritarian, Islamist extremists, multiple orders of magnitude worse than even the worst of Israel's political leaders, and until Israel completely extinguishes them, we're going to keep seeing half-9/11s for eternity. Israel has to win this war decisively or there will never be a piece.

The fact that anyone in America, much less on the Left, is supporting Gaza (who elected Hamas and overwhelmingly supported them, at least until that turned out to be a terrible decision in October 2023) is logically INconsistent.

[7,052,770]

I literally just talked about this:

What is different nowadays is that anyone can take photos and videos and post them on the internet for others to see.

The mainstream media can no longer act as the sole gatekeeper and shape the narrative.

Gen-Z(s) were practically born on the internet.

Yeah, I saw that. Social media allows anyone to take things of context or just outright lie and have millions of people see and believe it. For all of its faults, the pre-Internet "mainstream media" would have never been so slanted toward Hamas as 2023 social media is.

[pppolitics]

I literally just talked about this:

What is different nowadays is that anyone can take photos and videos and post them on the internet for others to see.

The mainstream media can no longer act as the sole gatekeeper and shape the narrative.

Gen-Z(s) were practically born on the internet.

Yeah, I saw that. Social media allows anyone to take things of context or just outright lie and have millions of people see and believe it. For all of its faults, the pre-Internet "mainstream media" would have never been so slanted toward Hamas as 2023 social media is.

Clearly, the people being dug out of the rubble in Gaza are crisis actors trying to sway public opinion against Israel.

[7,052,770]

I literally just talked about this:

What is different nowadays is that anyone can take photos and videos and post them on the internet for others to see.

The mainstream media can no longer act as the sole gatekeeper and shape the narrative.

Gen-Z(s) were practically born on the internet.

Yeah, I saw that. Social media allows anyone to take things of context or just outright lie and have millions of people see and believe it. For all of its faults, the pre-Internet "mainstream media" would have never been so slanted toward Hamas as 2023 social media is.

Clearly, the people being dug out of the rubble in Gaza are crisis actors trying to sway public opinions against Israel.

If you're going to post a strawman, at least be a little more subtle and not so obviously stupid. Even the people on your side are saying to themselves "Come on, man, nobody said anything about crisis actors..."

[Horus]

Their general views on Israel are logically consistent. You don't like it because it doesn't fit the narrative that the West is always in the right, but they're consistent.

Every single time "the West" has been on one side of a debate or conflict, and Russia/China have been on the other side, "the West" has been in the right. Literally always, 100%, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Didn't you support the Iraq war in 2003? lol

[pppolitics]

I literally just talked about this:

What is different nowadays is that anyone can take photos and videos and post them on the internet for others to see.

The mainstream media can no longer act as the sole gatekeeper and shape the narrative.

Gen-Z(s) were practically born on the internet.

Yeah, I saw that. Social media allows anyone to take things of context or just outright lie and have millions of people see and believe it. For all of its faults, the pre-Internet "mainstream media" would have never been so slanted toward Hamas as 2023 social media is.

Clearly, the people being dug out of the rubble in Gaza are crisis actors trying to sway public opinions against Israel.

If you're going to post a strawman, at least be a little more subtle and not so obviously stupid. Even the people on your side are saying to themselves "Come on, man, nobody said anything about crisis actors..."

It's videos like this being posted on social media that are turning public opinion against Israel

Tell me, which part is the "lie"?

[emailking]

As long as they vote B next year.

[pppolitics]

As long as they vote B next year.

We are not voting for Trump.

I am concerned that many will be voting third party or not voting at all.

[7,052,770]

Their general views on Israel are logically consistent. You don't like it because it doesn't fit the narrative that the West is always in the right, but they're consistent.

Every single time "the West" has been on one side of a debate or conflict, and Russia/China have been on the other side, "the West" has been in the right. Literally always, 100%, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Didn't you support the Iraq war in 2003? lol

No?

[emailking]

As long as they vote B next year.

We are not voting for Trump.

I am concerned that many will be voting third party or not voting at all.

I am concerned too I guess, but am hopeful they will come back home when the focus is on Trump 24/7 and reality of that sets in.

[pppolitics]

As long as they vote B next year.

We are not voting for Trump.

I am concerned that many will be voting third party or not voting at all.

I am concerned too I guess, but am hopeful they will come back home when the focus is on Trump 24/7 and reality of that sets in.

The best thing Biden can do right now is to step back and distance himself from Israel.

His bear hug with Israel is causing extensive damage to the party and his own re-election prospect.

I wonder if he knows how much large parts of his base hate Israel (and no, it is not because of anti-semitism, no matter how much Israel supporters want to claim otherwise).

Most Gen-Z and millennials that I've talked to consider what Israel is doing to be genocide.

[7,052,770]

Anyone who "hates with FLAMES coming out of it" Israel is an anti-Semite. I'm very comfortable saying that.

I don't "hate with FLAMES coming out of it" any country, not even Russia, North Korea, or Gaza. I'm sure there are millions of good, decent people in all of those countries, just trying to live their lives the best they can.