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« on: November 16, 2023, 05:02:34 PM »

https://nypost.com/2023/11/16/news/biden-not-expected-to-face-charges-in-special-counsel-probe-report/

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President Biden is likely to be let off the hook and not face criminal charges over his retention of classified material dating back to his time as a US senator from Delaware.

Special counsel Robert Hur’s team is crafting a report on its monthslong probe, but isn’t expected to charge anyone over the matter

The outcome is far from surprising, as the Justice Department has a longstanding policy against indicting a sitting president on the grounds that it would “undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions.”
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2023, 05:05:02 PM »

In all honesty, Trump shouldn't have been charged for that either. His real crimes are in the Georgia case and possibly DC.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2023, 05:09:42 PM »

 If Trump wasn't such a jackass about co-operating with the people trying to wrangle up the documents he wouldn't have been charged either. Biden and Pence let the Federal employees do their jobs. Trump lied and had staff hide documents. Trump belongs in prison.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2023, 05:16:33 PM »

Democrats complained about the same thing when Mueller wouldn't indict Trump. Please read what your own source says:
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The outcome is far from surprising, as the Justice Department has a longstanding policy against indicting a sitting president on the grounds that it would “undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions.”
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2023, 05:23:24 PM »

In all honesty, Trump shouldn't have been charged for that either. His real crimes are in the Georgia case and possibly DC.

Why? If Trump had cooperated with federal authorities he would not have been charged either. The fact he had the docs isn't at issue. It's the fact he lied to authorities and continued trying to hide classified docs that were not his.
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2023, 05:44:21 PM »

That's not surprising as there was no apparent malicious intent in Biden's case as with Pence's case where the attorney decided against any charges. I also imagine this is not a case of not having authority to charge Biden, and the report will reflect that. Mueller thought he did not have the authority to charge Trump or even to directly accuse Trump and his report very much reflects that!
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2023, 05:59:24 PM »

Trump should’ve just cooperated and he wouldn’t be charged.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2023, 06:12:02 PM »

Doing things that are actually illegal significantly increases your chances of being charged with a crime as it turns out.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2023, 07:24:34 PM »

This is a massive concession if Redban is posting about it.

Good, I'm glad this is over. No false equivalencies for you, GOP!
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2023, 08:24:24 PM »

In all honesty, Trump shouldn't have been charged for that either. His real crimes are in the Georgia case and possibly DC.
No.

Biden and Pence did not know they took classified documents and promptly turned them in when discovered. Its highly likely that Obama, Bush, Clinton and Cheney all have classified documents but didn't bother to look. Biden and Pence were the only ones who did.

Trump broke the the law because he KNEW he was taking classified documents. And REFUSED to give them back. And he SHARED that information.

"Malicious intent" is very important here
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2023, 08:58:46 PM »

Apparently the report is going to dress down Biden and his staff about how they handled documents though. Maybe like what Comey did for Clinton when he announced there would be no charges.
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2023, 09:06:41 PM »

He's the f@cking President, lol. Of course he wasn't going to be charged, even if he committed a real crime.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2023, 09:13:34 PM »

In all honesty, Trump shouldn't have been charged for that either. His real crimes are in the Georgia case and possibly DC.

Why? If Trump had cooperated with federal authorities he would not have been charged either. The fact he had the docs isn't at issue. It's the fact he lied to authorities and continued trying to hide classified docs that were not his.

He also showed them off to people who weren't authorized to see him.
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2023, 10:57:16 PM »

We all knew this, but thank you for telling us.
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2023, 01:10:43 AM »

In all honesty, Trump shouldn't have been charged for that either. His real crimes are in the Georgia case and possibly DC.

Why? If Trump had cooperated with federal authorities he would not have been charged either. The fact he had the docs isn't at issue. It's the fact he lied to authorities and continued trying to hide classified docs that were not his.

He also showed them off to people who weren't authorized to see him.

I’ll be honest the brain power here sometimes is pretty weak. Try harder everyone. This used to be a great forum before the name change
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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2023, 01:23:46 AM »

Docugate in Biden probe is so small compared to Trump crimes but a sitting Prez as we know already can't be indicted
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2023, 02:07:42 AM »

In all honesty, Trump shouldn't have been charged for that either. His real crimes are in the Georgia case and possibly DC.

Of course he should have been charged. Unlike Biden, he purposefully took the documents, he refused to return them once asked, he defied a subpoena, he tried to hide them by moving them, and he showed the documents to people without clearance and also told others without clearance some of our most sensitive national security secrets. In what world would he not be charged?
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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2023, 09:34:17 AM »

In all honesty, Trump shouldn't have been charged for that either. His real crimes are in the Georgia case and possibly DC.

Of course he should have been charged. Unlike Biden, he purposefully took the documents, he refused to return them once asked, he defied a subpoena, he tried to hide them by moving them, and he showed the documents to people without clearance and also told others without clearance some of our most sensitive national security secrets. In what world would he not be charged?

In a world in which people pretend "both sides" are equally bad for the sake of the narrative, ignoring the facts. The truth isn't always "balanced" and unbiased.
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2023, 09:39:23 AM »

NOOOOOOOO THEY WERE MEAN TO TRUMP THEY HAVE TO BE MEAN TO BIDEN TOO!!!!!
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2023, 03:33:48 PM »

Brandon should now tweet the following:

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COMPLETE AND TOTAL EXONERATION! The CORRUPT and RIGGED witch hunt on "Docugate" was shut down and the Radical Right LOST. Your favorite president (Dark Brandon) has done nothing wrong, Deranged GOP is still mad we won 81 MILLION VOTES. Meanwhile, Crooked Don is INDICTED for 91 FELONY CHARGES. Our wonderful AG Merrick needs to figure out why "T" is still allowed to run and not waste his time on illegal Hunter probe!

Imagine the reactions if he actually tweeted this.
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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2023, 07:17:01 PM »

Apparently the report is going to dress down Biden and his staff about how they handled documents though. Maybe like what Comey did for Clinton when he announced there would be no charges.

That wasn't nearly as bad as when the investigation was reopened.

And it's pretty rich if Republicans still try to use this against Biden knowing what we know about Trump and his handling of the documents.
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2024, 01:44:15 PM »

Special Counsel in Biden Documents Case Is Expected to Release Report Soon
Most of the work by Robert K. Hur appears to have wrapped up after President Biden sat down with investigators in October, according to people in Mr. Biden’s orbit.

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Robert K. Hur, the special counsel investigating President Biden’s mishandling of documents retained from his vice presidency, is expected to release his report soon, according to people with knowledge of the situation.

The imminent release of the report suggests that Mr. Hur is nearing the end of an investigation that began just over a year ago.

It is expected to criticize Mr. Biden and his aides for sloppy record-keeping and storage, according to people in Mr. Biden’s orbit, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the matter. But those people have long believed he will not be charged with any crime, judging from the lines of inquiry prosecutors have pursued in their interviews with witnesses and the president’s cooperation with investigators.

Most of Mr. Hur’s work was completed in the final days of 2023, and appears to have wrapped up after Mr. Biden sat down with investigators in October, those people said. He also conducted interviews with several longtime advisers in the Biden administration, including the former chief of staff Ron Klain, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken, Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser, and Steve Ricchetti, his counselor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/us/politics/biden-documents-special-counsel-report.html
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2024, 02:45:00 PM »

Well, according to Trump, doesn't Brandon have absolute immunity anyway?
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2024, 03:24:45 PM »
« Edited: February 07, 2024, 03:42:53 PM by emailking »

I suppose technically since this involves conduct before he was President it doesn't fall under that argument that official actions taken as President are Constitutionally immune from prosecution (unless impeached & convicted for said conduct, can't forget that caveat!).

Of course per DOJ policy a sitting President can't be charged anyway regardless of when the conduct occurred.
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2024, 03:40:30 PM »

Waist of time Prez can't be INDICTED
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