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Question: which of these various forms of protest do you (generally) find acceptable
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blocking traffic of randos
 
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preventing people from leaving
 
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preventing people from entering
 
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going to someone's home
 
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going to someone's home at night and being loud
 
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going to someone else's protest and preventing them from protesting
 
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violence (punching a "Nazi", metal spikes in trees))
 
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using lawyers to file nuisance lawsuits
 
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using symbols (BLM graffiti, swastikas,"in this house we believe.." signs, cross burnings)
 
#10
driving the speed limit in a group on purpose to cause traffic to protest speed limits
 
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NOTA
 
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« on: November 16, 2023, 03:01:29 PM »

I did not include ones that were super obviously always an acceptable form of protest (peaceful marches, press releases, vigils, picket lines (assuming they allow people to pass)), as that would be boring (though I think one may have snuck through).
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2023, 02:37:35 PM »

this one is hard I guess.  If it makes it easier, which of these should be available to be used by your political enemies?  (except the speed limit thing)
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2023, 03:44:06 PM »

Spray-painted swastikas always get my vote!
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2023, 10:43:57 PM »

Define "acceptable". Are you asking us if they should be legal?
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2023, 11:15:01 PM »

9 and 10 seem obviously acceptable (like, some of the symbols you chose in 9 are very offensive, but the tactic overall is fine).

8 depends on what you mean by "nuisance", but I'm going to lean towards no. Filing frivolous lawsuits is a crime in serious countries and in America is a serious violation of bar ethics.

The remainder all seem pretty clearly unacceptable. Voted 9 and 10 only.
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2023, 12:08:02 AM »

Define "acceptable". Are you asking us if they should be legal?
acceptable-you may not like the message or the messenger, but you have no problem with the method the message is being deliverd

you like the environment, but you find blocking traffic to "get the word out" is a stupid tactic no matter the message.


It's different than legality in that it probably shouldn't be illegal to go to someone's home to let them know you don't like how you think they're going to vote on bond measure, but you really shouldn't do it.  There are much better and less creepy ways to let them know what you're thinking.  It's certainly illegal everywhere (that matters) to block traffic, but perhaps you think letting people know that beef is murder is worth getting arrested and fined.
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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2023, 12:13:05 AM »

9 and 10 seem obviously acceptable (like, some of the symbols you chose in 9 are very offensive, but the tactic overall is fine).

8 depends on what you mean by "nuisance", but I'm going to lean towards no. Filing frivolous lawsuits is a crime in serious countries and in America is a serious violation of bar ethics.

The remainder all seem pretty clearly unacceptable. Voted 9 and 10 only.
yeah, I'm not happy with how past dead0man worded number 9.  Obviously it's fine to have a bumper sticker or a sign in your yard telling people about how they're going to hell or what a great Alderman John Wiener is.  It probably should have only been "negative" examples of symbol placement like on someone else's property.
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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2023, 03:21:24 AM »

Case by case basis, but for the purposes of this poll I selected all of them
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2023, 09:32:00 AM »

Blocking traffic and using symbols are generally acceptable. The rest depend a lot on context.
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2023, 01:46:02 PM »

Define "acceptable". Are you asking us if they should be legal?
acceptable-you may not like the message or the messenger, but you have no problem with the method the message is being deliverd

you like the environment, but you find blocking traffic to "get the word out" is a stupid tactic no matter the message.

Then my answer is N/A. Whether or not I find a protest "acceptable" depends on whether or not I agree with it.
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2023, 01:52:01 PM »

Define "acceptable". Are you asking us if they should be legal?
acceptable-you may not like the message or the messenger, but you have no problem with the method the message is being deliverd

you like the environment, but you find blocking traffic to "get the word out" is a stupid tactic no matter the message.

Then my answer is N/A. Whether or not I find a protest "acceptable" depends on whether or not I agree with it.
so you don't think people who you disagree with can ever protest in an acceptable manner?
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2023, 01:55:55 PM »

Case by case basis, but for the purposes of this poll I selected all of them
the entire point is to remove the "case by case basis" to find out what types of protest you think should be able to be used by people you disagree with.  Do you think the only acceptable forms of protest are ones with a message you agree with?
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2023, 02:39:05 PM »

Define "acceptable". Are you asking us if they should be legal?
acceptable-you may not like the message or the messenger, but you have no problem with the method the message is being deliverd

you like the environment, but you find blocking traffic to "get the word out" is a stupid tactic no matter the message.

Then my answer is N/A. Whether or not I find a protest "acceptable" depends on whether or not I agree with it.
so you don't think people who you disagree with can ever protest in an acceptable manner?

Using the term "acceptable" as you defined it above, no.

I think that it should be 100% legal, but I will never "support" it. For example, I'd oppose a Nazi standing peacefully holding a pro-Nazi sign, even if I think he shouldn't be arrested for it.
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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2023, 10:51:46 AM »

Case by case basis, but for the purposes of this poll I selected all of them
the entire point is to remove the "case by case basis" to find out what types of protest you think should be able to be used by people you disagree with.  Do you think the only acceptable forms of protest are ones with a message you agree with?


You kind of have to view this on a case by case basis though? If someone asked me "is assassination an acceptable thing to do?" I would probably think yes if we are talking about Hitler, no if it's a local MP who made a bad vote.
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