Will the West support Israel irredentism as a way to police the middle.east?
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« on: November 13, 2023, 10:37:02 AM »

Basically embracing the Greater Israel project and putting the non gulf states of the middle east under Israeli ocuppation just like Palestine and blocking their populations from escaping as a way to solve the refugee crisis and encircling Iran. Best case the West would allow Israel to occupy the entire 1919 Palestine borders as claimed by the World Zionist Organization, including southern Lebanon, southwestern Syria, western Jordan and parts of the Sinai.

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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2023, 11:46:09 AM »

The thing is that the West tends to support Israeli occupation when it is not a path to Israeli irredentism: occupation of the Sinai was supported only when deals with Egypt were impossible, and not afterwards, and sort of similarly the occupation of southern Lebanon (...which had a substantially different character than the other occupations since Israel was there in support of one of the claimants to local governance, and the territory was not administered by Israelis) was supported until it came to threaten agreements with Syria and the Palestinians (...which never happened).

I also don't think "to police the Middle East" has ever been the goal of Western support for Israel. The Israeli government has little direct influence in most of its neighboring countries and attempts to establish such influence have ended in failure. (The most parsimonious reason for the West supporting Saudi Arabia is 'the oil industry', but in some ways "to police the Middle East" also works as an explanation here). Rather support for Israel has always been justified on either ideological grounds (especially starting in the 1970s; you could submit anti-communism, support for democracy, or religious ideals as the reason here) or to check the influence of some power hostile to Israel, particularly Nasserist Egypt as supported by the USSR but also in the modern day Iran.

My guess is that Israeli irredentism within the boundaries of the former Mandate of Palestine can be supported by the West depending on various factors, but irredentism beyond that is very unlikely (in particular, under their current governments Egypt and Jordan are also allies of the West, and if anything the intensification of the conflict with Russia means open irredentism has become much more side-eyed). The Golan has become a weird unprincipled special exception on demographic and geographic grounds but it's hard to see those circumstances applying elsewhere.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2023, 12:25:01 AM »

They already do this
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2023, 10:52:44 PM »

i thought the Israel-Palestine discourse couldn't get any dumber

i was wrong
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2023, 09:20:51 AM »

i thought the Israel-Palestine discourse couldn't get any dumber

i was wrong

Oh, it can always get dumber.
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