Do you believe that Israel blew up the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital?

[7,052,770]

I thought everyone was on the same page that it had been conclusively disproven a while ago, but over the weekend, a post alleging that they did got 8 recommends from across the political spectrum, so perhaps a lot of people actually think they did it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't know and frankly I don't much care. This is a meaningless distraction from the real discussions to be had about how to stop the bloodshed.

[President Johnson]

No, the missle was fired by Hamas and came down early. They first claimed 500 casulties and then suddenly cut the number to around 30 when Israel presented evidence that it wasn't them.

[7,052,770]

I don't know and frankly I don't much care. This is a meaningless distraction from the real discussions to be had about how to stop the bloodshed.

I disagree. This "hospital attack" has inspired retaliatory attacks on Jews across the world and has caused many otherwise neutral people to become more sympathetic to Hamas, so I think it's pretty important to establish the facts and have everyone acknowledge them, whatever those facts are.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't know and frankly I don't much care. This is a meaningless distraction from the real discussions to be had about how to stop the bloodshed.

I disagree. This "hospital attack" has inspired retaliatory attacks on Jews across the world and has caused many otherwise neutral people to become more sympathetic to Hamas, so I think it's pretty important to establish the facts and have everyone acknowledge them, whatever those facts are.

I mean. Even if it turned out the IDF was responsible, that wouldn't make Hamas worth supporting and sure as f**k wouldn't justify antisemitic attacks anywhere.

Of course it's important to establish the facts, and I fully support any serious independent efforts to investigate the event, but for those of us who aren't privy to special knowledge, I don't know exactly how we can contribute to that process. Rather, it seems supporters of either side are latching on to the narrative that support their position and running with it, and I'd rather not participate in that.

[7,052,770]

I don't know and frankly I don't much care. This is a meaningless distraction from the real discussions to be had about how to stop the bloodshed.

I disagree. This "hospital attack" has inspired retaliatory attacks on Jews across the world and has caused many otherwise neutral people to become more sympathetic to Hamas, so I think it's pretty important to establish the facts and have everyone acknowledge them, whatever those facts are.

I mean. Even if it turned out the IDF was responsible, that wouldn't make Hamas worth supporting and sure as f**k wouldn't justify antisemitic attacks anywhere.

Of course it's important to establish the facts, and I fully support any serious independent efforts to investigate the event, but for those of us who aren't privy to special knowledge, I don't know exactly how we can contribute to that process. Rather, it seems supporters of either side are latching on to the narrative that support their position and running with it, and I'd rather not participate in that.

I don't mean to harp on you, but I can assure you that when I say that Israel definitely didn't do it, it has nothing, not even 1%, to do with which "side" I'm on. The entirely of Western intelligence services say that it was a Hamas rocket.

If all the intelligence services said Israel did it, I would be just as adamant that Israel did it, and I think most people here would agree.

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They probably didn't, but are committing plenty of war crimes regardless.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't know and frankly I don't much care. This is a meaningless distraction from the real discussions to be had about how to stop the bloodshed.

I disagree. This "hospital attack" has inspired retaliatory attacks on Jews across the world and has caused many otherwise neutral people to become more sympathetic to Hamas, so I think it's pretty important to establish the facts and have everyone acknowledge them, whatever those facts are.

I mean. Even if it turned out the IDF was responsible, that wouldn't make Hamas worth supporting and sure as f**k wouldn't justify antisemitic attacks anywhere.

Of course it's important to establish the facts, and I fully support any serious independent efforts to investigate the event, but for those of us who aren't privy to special knowledge, I don't know exactly how we can contribute to that process. Rather, it seems supporters of either side are latching on to the narrative that support their position and running with it, and I'd rather not participate in that.

I don't mean to harp on you, but I can assure you that when I say that Israel definitely didn't do it, it has nothing, not even 1%, to do with which "side" I'm on. The entirely of Western intelligence services say that it was a Hamas rocket.

If all the intelligence services said Israel did it, I would be just as adamant that Israel did it, and I think most people here would agree.

Huh, I haven't seen any such definitive conclusion from an intelligence service. If that's true fair enough. I just haven't been inclined to pay much attention to these twists and turns I guess.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

I don't know and frankly I don't much care. This is a meaningless distraction from the real discussions to be had about how to stop the bloodshed.

I disagree. This "hospital attack" has inspired retaliatory attacks on Jews across the world and has caused many otherwise neutral people to become more sympathetic to Hamas, so I think it's pretty important to establish the facts and have everyone acknowledge them, whatever those facts are.

Like they haven't done other stuff that is objectionable...

It's just not the hospital attack. And he's right that we can't know (it's war, fog of war). I will give Israel the benefit of the doubt here. BUT! there's plenty of other stuff including strikes on hospital cars and so on... that have made the world more sympathetic to Palestine, with the exception of this forum.

[7,052,770]

I thought everyone was on the same page that it had been conclusively disproven a while ago, but over the weekend, a post alleging that they did got 8 recommends from across the political spectrum, so perhaps a lot of people actually think they did it.

Here's the post you're referring to:

Hospitals ... have been bombed

Nope. You lose. When you knowingly tell lies like this, you wreck your credibility.

You took issue with OP's claim that "hospitals have been bombed" by pointing out that Israel probably did not bomb one particular hospital on one occasion. Do you understand how that does not disprove that "hospitals have been bombed"?

Dude, like a couple posts down on that thread he gives a link about this exact incident in an article from 10/19. I even said that I thought maybe he had been talking about something else and was surprised he wasn't.

If you have evidence that Israel bombed a different hospital last month (even though that wouldn't be what the poster in question was talking about), I'm eager to listen, but I doubt you do because it would have been discussed nonstop 

[John Dule]

No, the Israeli military only bombs evacuees, refugee camps, and bakeries. It would never do such a thing.

[HillGoose]

absolutely not!

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I don't know and frankly I don't much care. This is a meaningless distraction from the real discussions to be had about how to stop the bloodshed.

This. Though I still find it rather hard to believe that a Hamas missile managed to fall from the sky and hit the one place that would create the most international outcry. But the facts seem to lend credence to the Israeli position none the less.