KY Gov - Emerson - Tied
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 30, 2024, 09:42:19 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  Gubernatorial/State Elections
  2023 & Odd Year Gubernatorial Election Polls (Moderators: Brittain33, GeorgiaModerate, Gass3268, Virginiá, Gracile)
  KY Gov - Emerson - Tied
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3
Author Topic: KY Gov - Emerson - Tied  (Read 2072 times)
AncestralDemocrat.
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,417
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: November 03, 2023, 07:13:24 AM »
« edited: November 03, 2023, 07:22:50 AM by AncestralDemocrat. »



16 point swing from last poll.
Logged
Duke of York
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,966


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2023, 07:19:35 AM »

I think there is a decent chance Cameron wins thus proving approval rating doesn’t mean a darn thing.
Logged
SnowLabrador
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,565
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2023, 07:25:23 AM »

In hindsight, Beshear's 2019 victory was an absolute fluke. He might still win, but I'm a lot less confident than I was a few weeks ago.
Logged
AncestralDemocrat.
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,417
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2023, 07:34:15 AM »

I think there is a decent chance Cameron wins thus proving approval rating doesn’t mean a darn thing.
It definitely means something.. Beshear even in a loss will outperform the standard democrat by 20+ points.

Just with a state as red as Kentucky, the partisan baseline for republicans is obviously high.. Bevin literally had 30% ~ approval, lost by a point against a S tier candidate.
Logged
Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
olawakandi
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 88,755
Jamaica
Political Matrix
E: -6.84, S: -0.17


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2023, 07:35:59 AM »

Yes sure
Logged
Duke of York
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,966


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2023, 07:37:47 AM »

I think there is a decent chance Cameron wins thus proving approval rating doesn’t mean a darn thing.
It definitely means something.. Beshear even in a loss will outperform the standard democrat by 20+ points.

Just with a state as red as Kentucky, the partisan baseline for republicans is obviously high.. Bevin literally had 30% ~ approval, lost by a point against a S tier candidate.

How does it mean anything if someone with 50 plus approval ratings loses? It means partisanship matters more.
Logged
SnowLabrador
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,565
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2023, 07:40:28 AM »

I think there is a decent chance Cameron wins thus proving approval rating doesn’t mean a darn thing.
It definitely means something.. Beshear even in a loss will outperform the standard democrat by 20+ points.

Just with a state as red as Kentucky, the partisan baseline for republicans is obviously high.. Bevin literally had 30% ~ approval, lost by a point against a S tier candidate.

How does it mean anything if someone with 50 plus approval ratings loses? It means partisanship matters more.

Partisanship might matter more. Even with Beshear's high approval ratings, it might not be enough. But if he wasn't popular, he would lose by a lot more than he's going to.
Logged
Mr.Phips
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,546


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2023, 07:42:39 AM »

We could be looking at another 2015 here.
Logged
Shaula🏳️‍⚧️
Shaula
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,311
Australia


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2023, 07:44:02 AM »

This massive swing makes me want to throw out both Emerson polls of this race. Just doesn't seem plausible for such a huge change in a few weeks.
Logged
Birdish
Bartlet2002
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 760
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2023, 07:51:05 AM »

This massive swing makes me want to throw out both Emerson polls of this race. Just doesn't seem plausible for such a huge change in a few weeks.

Emerson always does that. Insane polling throughout the race only to heard at the end.
Logged
Dave Hedgehog
Rookie
**
Posts: 232
United Kingdom
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2023, 07:51:13 AM »

It's all panning out just as I expected. Beshear has clearly done a good job in the eyes of his constituents, but the state is just so red that it's very possibly going to prove too much of a hurdle to clear for reelection in the end. Cameron has a very easy card to play in national Democrats' unpopularity and is obviously playing it hard judging by all the articles I read on this race. That might literally be all he needs to win over this electorate.

Will be glad when this race is over to be honest; I've hardly any nails left to bite anymore.
Logged
wbrocks67
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,271


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2023, 07:59:01 AM »

Some weird responses in here, as if Cameron winning is a foregone conclusion. He absolutely *could* win in terms of chance, but I still don't find it likely. This is also the *only* poll of the entire cycle to show him ahead, and he's only tied/leading by 1.

Add that in with Emerson, who last cycle had a particular GOP bias, and of course, has gone from Cameron suddenly going from 34% to 49% in a matter of weeks... let's just wait and see.

It's just our luck though that the only nonpartisan polling in the final month of this campaign is simply 2 Emerson polls.
Logged
Pollster
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,760


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2023, 08:14:54 AM »

This massive swing makes me want to throw out both Emerson polls of this race. Just doesn't seem plausible for such a huge change in a few weeks.

Emerson always does that. Insane polling throughout the race only to heard at the end.

Emerson is a good academic pollster with sound methodological approaches, but their glaring issue is that they change their methodology from poll to poll (probably for educational purposes, which is fine!) but then present their results as if they are apples to apples when they are not.

They could end up being right here, they could end up being wildly off. Neither validates nor invalidates their approaches - at the end of the day, what they are doing is the equivalent of firing five different types of guns in five different directions and claiming they have dead aim because they hit something.
Logged
wbrocks67
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,271


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2023, 08:18:19 AM »

Independents are interesting... though Emerson has had a pretty bad record with this group. Cameron is actually up 2% with them here. Given Morning Consult's 58/31 approval for Beshear among this group, I'd be surprised if Cameron won them.
Logged
DaleCooper
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,087


P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2023, 08:20:38 AM »

Lol, Emerson is sh-t. Ignore every number they make up. Even if this ends up being right, they just got lucky.
Logged
wbrocks67
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,271


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2023, 08:22:26 AM »

Mason Dixon, who nailed the result in 2019, leaving us out in the dust this year Sad
Logged
Skill and Chance
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,662
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2023, 08:44:28 AM »

Strong VA-GOV 2013 vibes.
Logged
BigZuck08
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,091
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: 1.22

P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2023, 08:46:29 AM »

This poll seems like an outlier, though if there is more of this I will bump it down from Likely D to Lean D
Logged
🇺🇦 Purple 🦄 Unicorn 🇮🇱
Purple Unicorn
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,123
Germany


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2023, 08:48:48 AM »

Voters typically like to punish the President party in off-year elections, at least it is what I have read. As a result, it would not come as a total surprise if Beshear loses. It is a very Republican state after all and Republicans already did well in Louisiana (even if these two races are not comparable). I am a bit reluctant to believe it is this close, because Beshear is a popular incumbent and voters often side with the popular incumbent on election day. But Biden could make it close, because he's unpopular. Similarly, I cannot really say who wins in Mississippi: Gov. Reeves is unpopular, Presley is hitting the right topics with medical insurance expansion - but Biden is hurting Presley. That's why I would predict very close wins by the two incumbent governors in both states.
Logged
EastwoodS
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,852


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2023, 09:35:14 AM »

I don't like Emerson, but this is the only "non-partisan" poll that actually gives a realistic margin of the race. I really need to see one more tied result in a poll and at least one poll with Cameron leading to go under Beshear +2.
Logged
Arizona Iced Tea
Minute Maid Juice
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,780


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2023, 09:44:49 AM »

I still think Beshear will win but I don't see him winning by more than 5 points.
Logged
MT Treasurer
IndyRep
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,276
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2023, 10:03:54 AM »

This is still speculation, but it does seem like my "non-obvious prediction" from 3 months ago of a late R surge in KY and a D surge in MS is coming true.

I predicted this based off state fundamentals & candidate profiles, not polling (which was always misleading in both races).

Easier for the "right" Democrat to win MS against a toxic opponent than for a "generic" Democrat like Beshear to win KY against a non-toxic opponent.
Logged
wbrocks67
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,271


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2023, 10:29:46 AM »

The thing with Cameron is that he's not "toxic" in the typical sense, with no obvious scandals, but I wouldn't even consider him "generic" though, he's a pretty mediocre candidate.
Logged
Arizona Iced Tea
Minute Maid Juice
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,780


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2023, 11:23:57 AM »

The thing with Cameron is that he's not "toxic" in the typical sense, with no obvious scandals, but I wouldn't even consider him "generic" though, he's a pretty mediocre candidate.
Cameron is a good candidate but Beshear is an incumbent here. This is one of the very few races where voters like both candidates and are trying to decide which one they want more. For swing voters its a matter off staying with the guy you know, but they also understand that the challenger here would also be a good governor so there isn't any risk of a wrong choice here.
Logged
Birdish
Bartlet2002
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 760
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2023, 11:47:50 AM »

Cameron seems fine although disappointing. He could very well win next week due to the partisan lean of Kentucky. But he was hyped up when he first came into office. I can't be the only one who remembers him being listed as a future presidential contender.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 3  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.052 seconds with 13 queries.