!!! Only 17% of Arab-Americans say they'll vote for Biden in 2024, down from 59% in 2020!?

[Birdish]

Poll from special interest group warns of dire consequences if candidate doesnt change policy. Atlas accepts uncritically.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Poll from special interest group warns of dire consequences if candidate doesnt change policy. Atlas accepts uncritically.

Because any data that is bad for Biden is unequivocally hardcore fact.

[President Johnson]

Biden may gain more votes in exchange as more people are pro-Israel and Trump called Hezbollah smart and said Bibi should be "impeached".

[Lief 🗽]

Sad to see that there are so many single issue anti-“Israel” (lol) voters in this community, but what are you going to do. Biden obviously should not side with Hamas to win these people over.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Oh well. I guess Trump will get 80% of the Arab vote, 30% of the black vote and 50% of the Hispanic vote.

[Lief 🗽]

Also this is literally a Zogby poll lol

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Oh well. I guess Trump will get 80% of the Arab vote, 30% of the black vote and 50% of the Hispanic vote.

There are people on here who unironically believe this is going to happen.

[Roronoa D. Law]

They act as if the Republicans wouldnt hand the West Bank over to Israel.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Assuming this bleed is limited to just Arab-Americans would be the most obvious blind-spot I think everyone's missing.

Any way, you reap what you sow.

[Xing]

Atlas is so melodramatic. No, Trump will not get 80% of the Arab American vote.

Why do you always have to resort to these straw men? It’s pretty melodramatic.

Because they're, you know, entire threads, and people actually believe something close to this.

[WalterWhite]

This is a Bronz threaf

[WalterWhite]

Anyways, the Republican Party is even more pro-Israel than the Democratic Party. Arab-Americans are certainly not going to vote for Republicans because of this.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

Anyways, the Republican Party is even more pro-Israel than the Democratic Party. Arab-Americans are certainly not going to vote for Republicans because of this.

It's not whether they vote R, but if they stay home in large numbers it hurts the Dems.

[MT Treasurer]

Atlas is so melodramatic. No, Trump will not get 80% of the Arab American vote.

Why do you always have to resort to these straw men? It’s pretty melodramatic.

Because they're, you know, entire threads, and people actually believe something close to this.

Not a single person here, let alone "people", believe Trump will get "something close to" 80% of the Arab vote.

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

Also this is literally a Zogby poll lol

Given that track record we can assume then that Biden will double his previous results with Arab-Americans.

[MyLifeIsYours]

Sad to see that there are so many single issue anti-“Israel” (lol) voters in this community, but what are you going to do. Biden obviously should not side with Hamas to win these people over.

Biden can demand justice for the Palestinians who have been oppressed under an apartheid state. You can be against Hamas but acknowledged Palestine has a right to exist.

[Xing]

Atlas is so melodramatic. No, Trump will not get 80% of the Arab American vote.

Why do you always have to resort to these straw men? It’s pretty melodramatic.

Because they're, you know, entire threads, and people actually believe something close to this.

Not a single person here, let alone "people", believe Trump will get "something close to" 80% of the Arab vote.

The sheer amount of hand-wringing, the idea that a massive swing among Arab Americans will cause a 3-point swing in Michigan, and the fact that a separate thread had to be started even though there was already one about the poll all suggest otherwise. And either way, I'm not sure you're the right person to be accusing others of using strawmen.

[Redban]

Also this is literally a Zogby poll lol

James Zogby vs John Zogby

They are different people

[Progressive Pessimist]

Sad to see that there are so many single issue anti-“Israel” (lol) voters in this community, but what are you going to do. Biden obviously should not side with Hamas to win these people over.

Biden can demand justice for the Palestinians who have been oppressed under an apartheid state. You can be against Hamas but acknowledged Palestine has a right to exist.

He is though. He has very blatantly distinguished Hamas from the average Palestinian. He has even promoted their need for humanitarian aid. He can only do so much when Netanyahu has Ben-Gvir and Smotrich whispering in his ear and being out for retribution. Yet, he has to work with them as the duly elected government of an ally who needs our support.

[jamestroll]

Well there goes 0.2% off Biden’s popular vote share. Although I suppose, theoretically, this could actually swing the vote in Michigan, assuming they all decamped en-masse to vote for Trump. But that doesn’t seem especially likely.

Biden has been totally fair to Palestine.

And I am sorry, Democrats can't try to appeal to smaller and smaller demographic groups. I am CONFIDENT Biden will win Michigan. Yeah it will be a  long night. But I do not care. Biden would risk so many more groups from being more pro Palestine than he is.

I am perfectly happy with how Biden has been handling this, and I having support Palestine for well over a Decade.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

Why does the Time piece reference the poll but not link to it?

Here is a link for anyone actually curious

Despite the very obvious potential agenda one could attribute to the source, I was surprised to see the questions in here didn't really read like a push poll to me.

The defections from Biden in the poll aren't translating very much into Trump gains. They're mostly going to third party (mostly RFK Jr.) or "undecided".



Anyway, I sincerely hope (for the sake of the Republic, and many, many other reasons) that this does not manifest in any way in a year. If it does, it will be an absolute tragedy, but at the very least it will be interesting to see how much the "Donald Trump is the candidate of white supremacy" crowd responds if Arab Americans are one of the major reasons he is able to return to power.

Sad to see that there are so many single issue anti-“Israel” (lol) voters in this community, but what are you going to do. Biden obviously should not side with Hamas to win these people over.

Biden can demand justice for the Palestinians who have been oppressed under an apartheid state. You can be against Hamas but acknowledged Palestine has a right to exist.

Who has ever said that Palestine does not have a right to exist? Also Biden has said numerous times that Palestinian civilians should not be targeted and are not responsible for Hamas's terrorism on October 7.

[TodayJunior]

There are just not enough trump supporters to counterweight the non-trump supporters. Simple math…Dems are in the driver seat until further notice. Always bet on Dems in the Trump era. ALWAYS.

[EastwoodS]

There are just not enough trump supporters to counterweight the non-trump supporters. Simple math…Dems are in the driver seat until further notice. Always bet on Dems in the Trump era. ALWAYS.

nonsensical

[Red Wall]

Well this is what you get for supporting genocide.

For arabs right now voting for democrats when a Democrat is massacring their own is like asking jews to vote for Hitler in 1942 if they could.

[Devils30]

Glad we are debating a poll that apparently used the Trafalgar method.